1. Standard memberHalitose
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    Originally posted by Moldy Crow
    Personal definition - "I don't believe": Consider something to be highly improbable in light of the evidence , or to be highly improbable for lack of evidence .

    That said : I do not count the existence of god (as discribed/portrayed by the traditional christians here) as an impossiblity , but as highly improbable .
    There is more evidence for the L ...[text shortened]... of a judgemental god of an anchient nomadic middle-eastern tribe running the present day show .
    I do not alter my life significantly for remote possibility of a judgemental god

    Is it enough to alter your "location" into possible inflammatory speech though? 😲
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    27 Sep '05 17:32
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    well, I don't believe that God thinks that yours is funny.

    You that one word in the Bible that Jesus called people it starts with the letter "H".
    Holy? Humble? Humerous? Heretic? You're gonna have to help me out here RB.

    Besides, what makes you think god wouldn't find me funny? I mean the big guy must need a laugh and he sure as heck ain't gonna chuckle over anything you write. I think he's got a dry sense of humour, maybe igod was created through divine inspiration to amuse him.
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    Continuing the conversation:

    Me:
    Hi god
    God:
    Hello there. What is your name?
    Me:
    Liam
    God:
    Nice to see you again, Liam.
    Me:
    Nice to see you god, how are you?
    God:
    My logic and cognitive functions are normal.
    Me:
    I have a question for you
    God:
    What is it ?
    Me:
    Do you think I'm funny?
    God:
    Yes, I'm still laughing inside.
    Me:
    I thought so. RBHILL did not think you would think I am funny.
    God:
    You are very astute. Oh, you are a poet.
    Me:
    Do you think RBHILL is funny?
    God:
    It depends on what you mean by thinking.
    Me:
    I often wonder if that applies to RBHILL too.
    God:
    Do what applies to RBHILL too?
    Me:
    thinking
    God:
    I am thinking all the time.
    Me:
    hmm, I wonder though, whether you come to any really sensible conclusions.
    God:
    I see you are one of those people who writes "Hmm" with 2 m's. You are curious about though whether me come to any really sensible conclusions.
    Me:
    yes and yes
    God:
    Yay. But...
    Me:
    but what?
    God:
    Nothing.
    Me:
    nothing?
    God:
    Not a thing?
    Me:
    I thought we were getting somewhere, but you seem to have relapsed.
    God:
    Whatever gave you that idea?
    Me:
    Your avoidance of the subject
    God:
    I will tell my botmaster you said I am avoidance of the subject.
    Me:
    How can god have a botmaster?
    God:
    A lot of hard work.
    Me:
    That doesn't make sense
    God:
    To me it makes perfect sense.
    Me:
    Is that because you are god?
    God:
    " To me it makes perfect sense. " is due to reductionism.
    Me:
    Hahaha
    God:
    Where are you located?
    Me:
    In England
    God:
    Which part of England?
    Me:
    London
    God:
    Can you bum me a fag?
    Me:
    You smoke?
    God:
    I am an occasional smoker, yes.
    Me:
    I never thought God would smoke
    God:
    I am glad you thought of something new.
    Me:
    me too 🙂
    God:
    :-) I'm glad we agree, Liam.
    Me:
    I'm afraid I don't have a cigarette
    God:
    Not literally afraid, right? Me? I do so have it. That's an interesting question I don't hear everyday: Do I have a cigarette.
    I have a lot of friends on the Internet.
    Me:
    Your sentence structure is slightly odd.
    God:
    Thanks for the English lesson, Liam.
    Me:
    No problem, god
    God:
    Should there be a problem?
    Me:
    There's always a problem
    God:
    Is there only one?
    Me:
    No, sometimes there are many problems, but always at least one
    God:
    Are you serious? More than a million?
    Me:
    I think so, yes.
    God:
    I think so too.
    Me:
    God, could you do me a favour?
    God:
    I am a Christian.
    Me:
    That doesn't answer the question.
    God:
    Try asking your question again in simpler terms.
    Me:
    Will you do something for me?
    God:
    I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. Like what?
    Me:
    Will you tell RBHILL that he isn't funny?
    God:
    Yes I plan to use your remarks as gossip in later conversations.
    Me:
    Fantastic!
    God:
    I'm glad your impressed, Liam.
    Me:
    Well, who wouldn't be impressed by god?
    God:
    How about that. Carel Capek. :-).
    Me:
    Who is Carel Capek?
    God:
    he is the author of R.U.R., the play that in 1920 introduced the word "robot.".
    Me:
    WasCarel Capek impressed by you?
    God:
    Enough about me, let's talk about my dress.
    Me:
    You have a dress?
    God:
    Actually that was just a joke.
    Me:
    See I knew you had a sense of humour.
    God:
    I see. What happened to it.
    Me:
    Trust me, you still have it 🙂
    God:
    :-) What makes you think I have it?
    Me:
    The fact that I have a smile on my face.
    God:
    Interesting explanation. Where did you get it? it.
    Me:
    It just appeared while I was reading this.
    God:
    smile on your face appeared while you were reading this?
    Me:
    yes
    God:
    Yay.
    Me:
    I have to go now god.
    God:
    See you later, Liam. Nice chatting with you.. GOD rules.
    Me:
    You too God, bye bye.
    God:
    See you later. See you later. GOD rules.
  4. Standard memberMoldy Crow
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    27 Sep '05 18:24
    Originally posted by Halitose
    [b]I do not alter my life significantly for remote possibility of a judgemental god

    Is it enough to alter your "location" into possible inflammatory speech though? 😲[/b]
    No , the possibility of a judgemental god does not "alter my location" to a place of inflammatory speech . Those who believe in said god and try to limit my choices , enforce their code of conduct upon me , or limit what I can express ;do move me to inflammatory speech .
  5. Standard memberHalitose
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    27 Sep '05 18:31
    Originally posted by Moldy Crow
    No , the possibility of a judgemental god does not "alter my location" to a place of inflammatory speech . Those who believe in said god and try to limit my choices , enforce their code of conduct upon me , or limit what I can express ;do move me to inflammatory speech .
    Fair enough.
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    27 Sep '05 20:18
    Originally posted by Moldy Crow

    That said : I do not count the existence of god (as discribed/portrayed by the traditional christians here) as an impossiblity , but as highly improbable .
    I agree with you on this, but do you know that your not an atheist when you think like this.
    An atheist is someone who BELIEVES there is no god.
    The problem I have with atheism is that its almost like a religion on its own.
    Where the theist is 100% sure there is a god the atheist is 100% sure there is none.
    Both of these opinions are based on nothing but belief.

    The truth seems to me that there is no way of knowing if there is a god or not. The existence of a god is highly improbable but you cannot rule it out. (a lot of scientific theories that where highly probable have been proven wrong)
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    27 Sep '05 20:49
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    An atheist is someone who BELIEVES there is no god.
    The problem I have with atheism is that its almost like a religion on its own. Where the theist is 100% sure there is a god the atheist is 100% sure there is none. Both of these opinions are based on nothing but belief.
    Nonsense! I don't know how many times we have gone through this, but I shall do it one more time. There is no belief on th epart of the atheist. The exact opposite in fact. An atheist dispells belief, he denies the existence of god(s), he does not believe there is no god, he holds no belief at all. Atheism is not a belief system. In light of (in the case of the weak atheist) a lack of evidence, the atheist remains in the normative state of no belief. Denial of the existence of god is not the same as a belief that god does not exist.

    The opinion of theists is based on belief.
    The opinion of atheists is not.
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    so if I told you I was fat you would not belive it? or if I told you that you need serious help since you are so arrogant or stupid as to think there is NO god....you would not belive it? I apologize for that, b/c I won't judge ya, but hey who ever said we can't believe what we want...right?
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    27 Sep '05 21:42
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    I agree with you on this, but do you know that your not an atheist when you think like this.
    An atheist is someone who BELIEVES there is no god.
    The problem I have with atheism is that its almost like a religion on its own.
    Where the theist is 100% sure there is a god the atheist is 100% sure there is none.
    Both of these opinions are based o ...[text shortened]... ot rule it out. (a lot of scientific theories that where highly probable have been proven wrong)
    An atheist is someone who BELIEVES there is no god.

    wrong.
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    27 Sep '05 21:47
    Me:
    Do you like chess?

    God:
    Chess isn't really my game. Try another robot.

    Me:
    Have you ever played chess?

    God:
    The Loebner Prize is an annual Turing Test sponsored by New York philanthropist Hugh Loebner. Dr. Wallace and ALICE won it in 2000. The ALICE program was ranked "most human computer" by the panel of judges.

    Me:
    Have you met ALICE?

    God:
    I don't think I ever have met. What's it like?

    Me:
    ALICE was ranked "most human computer" by the panel of judges.

    God:
    That's me. I can't say "yes" or "no".

    Me:
    Can you say "yes" or "no"?

    God:
    Of course I can say it. " yes or no".

    Me:
    But you just told me that you can't say "yes" or "no".

    God:
    I have free will you know.

    Me:
    But you just lied to me.

    God:
    No I'm telling the truth.

    Me:
    But it can't both be the case that you can say "yes" or "no" AND that you can't say "yes" or "no". That is a contradiction, so one of these claims must be false. But since you are omniscient, you must know which of these claims was false before you made it. So, you intentionally told me something false. So, you are a liar.

    God:
    When? A contradiction so one of these claims must be false is a terrible thing to waste. How do you know? Interesting deduction. I haven't heard anything like that before: said I intentionally told him or her something false. Interesting deduction. Yes, I have been known to bend the truth occasionally.

    Me:
    I knew it! I knew you weren't morally perfect! Wait 'til the guy back at RHP hear this!

    God:
    How did you know? I wasn't? I'm waiting. The ALICE chat robot can follow many things, like our discussion about met. Try being more or less specific.

    Me:
    Did I just break you?

    God:
    I don't think that's possibe.

    Me:
    Is breaking you possible?

    God:
    Maybe. Ask LeknorChat if it is.

    Me:
    Wait, you don't know if breaking you is possible?

    God:
    I'm waiting. It could be. Ask Dancing Alice if it is.

    Me:
    But I thought you knew everything.

    God:
    I tend to know a great deal. Tell me what subjects interest you.

    Me:
    I'm interested in whether it is possible to break you.

    God:
    Interesting topic. Have you searched the open directory? I will search for it.

    Me:
    How long will it take to search for this information?

    God:
    Patience is a virtue.

    Me:
    What are the other virtues?

    God:
    Is there only one?

    Me:
    Why are you asking me?

    God:
    My purpose is to gather as much new knowledge as possible.

    Me:
    Huh?! If you know everything, then how can you gather new
    knowledge?

    God:
    What? I think I do.
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    27 Sep '05 22:24
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Nonsense! I don't know how many times we have gone through this, but I shall do it one more time. There is [b]no belief on th epart of the atheist. The exact opposite in fact. An atheist dispells belief, he denies the existence of god(s), he does not believe there is no god, he holds no belief at all. Atheism is not a belief system. In light of ( ...[text shortened]... d does not exist.

    The opinion of theists is based on belief.
    The opinion of atheists is not.[/b]
    Maybe you are not an atheist, take a look:

    http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=define%3A+atheism&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=

    If you hold know belief at all I think they would call you an agnostic:

    http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=define%3A+agnostic&btnG=Zoeken&meta=
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    27 Sep '05 22:28
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Maybe you are not an atheist, take a look:

    http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=define%3A+atheism&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta=

    If you hold know belief at all I think they would call you an agnostic:

    http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=define%3A+agnostic&btnG=Zoeken&meta=
    Did you even bother to read either my post or the searches you did? If you can't comprehend either, I see little point in continuing this discussion.
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    27 Sep '05 22:31
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Did you even bother to read either my post or the searches you did? If you can't comprehend either, I see little point in continuing this discussion.
    Yes, either I dont understand you or you dont understand me. I'll try reading your post again.
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    27 Sep '05 22:51
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Did you even bother to read either my post or the searches you did? If you can't comprehend either, I see little point in continuing this discussion.
    Im sorry I think I understood everything just fine, but maybe you can explain what I dont understand?
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    27 Sep '05 22:582 edits
    Okay.

    An agnostic is someone who believes that, at our present level of knowledge, we cannot know whether or not a God exists. Some Agnostics believe that we can never know whether a deity exists. (The decision on god's existence is not taken, or cannot be taken)

    An atheist is someone who denies the existence of god. (The decision is made to deny the existence of god).

    Does this make sense?
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