Originally posted by Proper Knob
In light of a recent exchange with jaywill, how many Christians on this forum believe that unbelievers are in league with Satan?
It's a standard religious defence mechanism.
Anyone who isn't one of the 'true believers' is in league with that religions version of the boogie man.
In the case of Christianity it's satan.
They define anyone not believing in god as being in league with satan so it doesn't matter that nobody
outside of Christianity (and I would class Satanists who actually believe in and worship satan as being a
part of the Christian mythos) actually believes that satan exists.
The onus is still on the theist to prove the existence of the boogie man in just the same way is it is incumbent on
them to prove the existence of their god.
And just to be clear, a Satanist is someone who actually believes in the existence of the Christian god and in the
existence of satan but has chosen to 'worship' satan rather than god.
An atheist doesn't believe in either and worships neither and thus is NOT a Satanist.
Neither are people of any other religious group who don't believe in the Christian mythology.
This is a nice example of the danger and inherent divisiveness of religion and belief based on blind faith.
Such beliefs and religions are really really bad at conflict resolution.
If I have a disagreement about the nature of reality or about morality with another rationalist skeptic.
Then we can sit down and through rational and logical argument debate the evidence and merits of
the argument and sort out our differences. (possibly through experimentation and potentially coming
to a conclusion that agrees with neither position either of us started with.)
At no point do we have any need or desire to attack or insult let alone declare war on or kill the other side
of the argument.
Our views are based on the evidence and reason and can be changed by evidence and reason.
(of course real people don't quite live up to this standard, at least not all the time but there is no inherent
part of our belief system that would lead to conflict and in fact it is designed to defuse and solve conflicts)
However if you get two theists (or other purveyors of irrationality and faith based beliefs) of opposing doctrines
or religions who get into a dispute then both stand there saying "no I'm right... NO I'M RIGHT..." both refusing to
budge because belief in their doctrines is required to be blind and absolute and there is absolutely no mechanism
for changing them. Serious disputes can, have, and often do, lead to violence and or war.
Claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is working for, or with, satan is just a manifestation of the fact that
Christians can't win a rational argument and must resort to scare tactics and emotional blackmail and threats to
bully people into agreeing with them.
It's juvenile, wrong, and dangerous.
It's a lot easier to kill people if your told over and over that they are evil and work for satan.