Originally posted by scottishinnzIf God really is the god of all,
If God really is the god of all, why the commandment about not worshiping other gods? If no other gods exist, it seems pointless. Rather like the eleventh commandment, "thou shalt not worship invisible pink unicorns".
Likewise, why all the killing of emenies in the OT? Why the slaughter of enemies children (except virgin females, not-so-oddly)?? What's with all the "chosen people" nonsense?
Is He? God created all, but is only the God of those that believe.
You know how it is when someone like myself says he doesn't believe in evolution when someone like yourself does because you know the science behind it? It's the same thing when I read what you say about the Bible. Even if I were to explain why God commanded Israel to kill every living thing in the land He gave them you would still not understand. You're standing too close to the canvas to see the big picture. It's like straining at a knat and swallowing the camel. Like not seeing the forest from the trees. Like leading a horse to water, but not being able to make him drink.
You don't believe there's a God. There's nothing I can say that would satisfy.
Originally posted by twhiteheadNo one fully understands everything. We know superficially what it means to search with all our heart. I was hoping to dig a little deeper.
I neither took it personal nor took offense, so don't worry. I merely gave my opinion as to what was meant by the phrase when people I know have used it in the past. If you don't believe me, thats fine. If you are only concerned with what the Bible meant and not what other people who use the phrase mean then thats fine too, but I suggest you ask someone t ...[text shortened]... on this phrase. Surely the Holy Spirit can give you the definition better than any of us can?
The Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" It certainly seems contradictory that God would say He can be found if sought with all one's heart while He says also that the heart is deceitful. Due to the fall of man, because of sin, we are separated from God. Our nature is at variance with the nature of God so that we cannot know Him. Unless God does something we cannot do for ourselves, we are destined to wonder aimlessly in search of God and not finding Him.
Originally posted by yo its meThe verses you quoted are used to promote the idea that God chose in advance who would be saved or lost. Not true, and here's why.
You are right. I don't know the Bible at all infact it is like a maize to me. The verse I quoted I looked up again and, yes it wasn't what I was thinking of. This might be;
Romans 8:28-30 (King James Version)
28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29F ...[text shortened]... nything the best you possiably can you'd have to olny be doing that one thing, wouldn't you?
God knew in advance who would believe, so He predestined them to be conformed to the image of His son.
If you will look closely at verses 29 and 30 you will see it doesn't say anything about choosing who would be saved at all. God foreknew who would believe, so He gave them something to be conformed to.
Originally posted by josephwOkay, that makes sense. Are there other verses? I remember this being a big thing for me years ago 😕
The verses you quoted are used to promote the idea that God chose in advance who would be saved or lost. Not true, and here's why.
God knew in advance who would believe, so He predestined them to be conformed to the image of His son.
If you will look closely at verses 29 and 30 you will see it doesn't say anything about choosing who would be saved at all. God foreknew who would believe, so He gave them something to be conformed to.
Like I said, the Bible is like a maize to me.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI looked back at your post and I don't think you were taking it personal either. As a matter of fact I thought I was wrong for saying that right after I posted it in the first place.
Sorry, I misunderstood your post. Looking back at it, it wasn't really rude.
It gets crazy around here sometimes. 😵
Originally posted by yo its meI may be wrong, but I know of no other book that is more misunderstood, criticized, ridiculed, misinterpreted, tampered with, misrepresented, or blasphemed.
Okay, that makes sense. Are there other verses? I remember this being a big thing for me years ago 😕
Like I said, the Bible is like a maize to me.
The maize is not in the Bible, but in how it is read.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI pretty much have the grammar and punctuation down, but without the spell check I'd be lost! 😉
Or how it is spelt perhaps? 🙂 In Zambia, maize is something you eat.
Can you imagine, my spelling checker doesn't know the word 'spelt'! 😕
It's, spelled.
You're right of course. It should be spelled maze.
Originally posted by josephwIt means:
Jer 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
I think the reason many of you who don't believe there is a God post in this forum because you would like to know there is a God if you could find proof. If the verse above is true and there is a God, then you will find all the evidence you will ever need. but ...[text shortened]... ble you missed something?
What do you think it means to " search with all your heart"?
"You know that brain, that seat of reason I gave you? Don't use it to find me for I'm illogical. My actions don't make sense. I'm nuts.
No, use that other organ, the heart, the seat of rationalizations and excuses for why I must exist."