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Originally posted by SwissGambitMaybe only in your "free-thinking" way of see things.
I love how \'free-thinking\' is only that which comes to the accepted conclusions of other so-called \'free-thinkers\'.
Originally posted by serigadoI am also a "free thinker." I have freely chosen Christianity based on personal experience and my extensive study of philosophy. (I have a B.A. in philosophy, and taught philosophy briefly at Golden West Community College in Huntington Beach, CA.)
I'm not in a politeness contest. I'm for the arguments. I'm rude, simple and direct. I don't like to elaborate. When someone presents me an argument I know it's worthless I insult him.
Forgetting about that, the question again is
Why should religious points of view be taught at the same level of free thinking point of view?
Originally posted by serigadoIndependent point of view should ALWAYS be the chosen one, obviously.
There are no two view points. That would be the same of saying "there's the independent and biased point of view, what makes right to choose between one or the other?"
Independent point of view should ALWAYS be the chosen one, obviously. Only then you should show examples of the biased ones. You want to prevent the teaching of the independent point of view ...[text shortened]... to say I am a fundamentalist to free thinking, I accept. I join the fray of free thinking.
Originally posted by gaychessplayerI won't go against your Christianity.
I am also a "free thinker." I have freely chosen Christianity based on personal experience and my extensive study of philosophy. (I have a B.A. in philosophy, and taught philosophy briefly at Golden West Community College in Huntington Beach, CA.)
Yes, it is possible to use the methods of philosophy to reach the conclusion that Christianity is the most plausible world view.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou got me wrong. My independent point of view is showing children about science, religion, philosophy without saying either one is the correct one.
[b]Independent point of view should ALWAYS be the chosen one, obviously.
Operating within a closed system, you'll be hard-pressed to find any position which could accurately be construed as 'independent.'
Science is not indoctrination.
History disagrees with you, unfortunately.[/b]
Originally posted by serigadoI find it laughably impossible to imagine you (in your current state of seething enemity) offering anything remotely close to an 'independent view' of anything, let alone anything with religious underpinnings.
You got me wrong. My independent point of view is showing children about science, religion, philosophy without saying either one is the correct one.
The thing i'm criticizing is teaching religion concepts denying and diminishing everything else.
I say "Show children the world, let them think for themselves".
I was not saying children are to be thought sc ...[text shortened]... point of view? Do you think there should be a debate between one and the other point of view?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI don't offer anything to anyone. I'm only discussing how I think things should be.
I find it laughably impossible to imagine you (in your current state of seething enemity) offering anything remotely close to an 'independent view' of anything, let alone anything with religious underpinnings.
For instance, my children have been exposed from the earliest ages to the Christian world-view, in addition to other world-views. The older boys ...[text shortened]... person astray accordingly. That is my ruling mandate. What is yours, and by what authority?
Originally posted by gaychessplayerThank you. Now try to spread that point of view to everyone, before it's too late.
Basically, I think education should focus on teaching kids not WHAT to think, but HOW to think. Teach them history, math, literature, the scientific method and critical thinking skills and then allow them to draw their own conclusions.
Originally posted by serigadoDo your children believe world is 6k yrs old and dinosaurs lived with men?
I don't offer anything to anyone. I'm only discussing how I think things should be.
If you though your children your personal beliefs in parallel with all other view points, I find it comforting. Do your children believe world is 6k yrs old and dinosaurs lived with men?
I just want people not to manipulate children to believe something. Children are ver ...[text shortened]... opinions. They should reach Christ by themselves, not by influence. That would be machiavelic.
I would want my children to reach whatever position they wanted to independent of me. I won't say religion is good or bad, right or wrong. The same for everything else.
Yeah: maybe we just leave a bunch of tracts lying around, or well-place (but not obvious) Bibles scattered about. I don't think your plan is very well thought out just yet. Go back and see if you can polish it up a tad.
Originally posted by serigadoit might not be, if it helped them to survive, would it not be a good thing? If they were taught that this particular way of living (no drugs, not much drink, no excesses, one wife, faithful, etc etc) and it worked out for them, eg allowed them to propagate, then wouldn't that be a positive thing for them?
I would want my children to reach whatever position they wanted to independent of me. I won't say religion is good or bad, right or wrong. The same for everything else.
But you think you have a duty to teach your children from the very beginning your beliefs. You might be biasing their free-thinking from the beginning, depending on how that teaching is made.
Teaching a specific religion to a young child is very reducing, you must admit.
Originally posted by snowinscotlandAgain, the machiavelic argument: The ends justify the means.
it might not be, if it helped them to survive, would it not be a good thing? If they were taught that this particular way of living (no drugs, not much drink, no excesses, one wife, faithful, etc etc) and it worked out for them, eg allowed them to propagate, then wouldn't that be a positive thing for them?