@divegeester
Matt 7:21 makes it clear that not everyone will get saved.
Interestingly you touch on Revelation but the real elephant in the room are the four references to “The Mark of The Beast” - take this mark and worship the beast then you are toast.
@BigDogg
I believe God set up the universe to achieve one end, create one where true love was possible from those He created, and as such knew it would go wrong since that required choices had to be given, and not everyone was going to choose love. Some were going to choose themselves and everything that would go along with that. That also meant even those who would choose to love Him and each other would also be in sin guilty of corruption. To redeem those who willing chose Him over their own lives, as He gave His life for them. That keeps all of the guilty in their guilt and has the guilt of the redeemed paid for at a great cost to God Himself, as He laid down His life for us, taking on our sins upon Himself as we the guilty put our faith in His grace and mercy we find with Jesus Christ.
This cure is being born again, changing us from the inside out, replacing our hearts of stone for ones of flesh.
@kellyjay saidWhat utter mumbo jumbo!! Here is a passage that is alien to your church doctrine.
@BigDogg
I believe God set up the universe to achieve one end, create one where true love was possible from those He created, and as such knew it would go wrong since that required choices had to be given, and not everyone was going to choose love. Some were going to choose themselves and everything that would go along with that. That also meant even those who would choose ...[text shortened]... being born again, changing us from the inside out, replacing our hearts of stone for ones of flesh.
Tell me what this is saying here :
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV)
I think this is a clear passage that Jesus preached to the people who died in the flood in the time of Noah, so that they can repent and be saved by his death and eventually inherit the Kingdom of God.
This runs completely contrary that only Christians are saved and the rest of the world are damned
@rajk999 saidIt means Jesus Christ saved those that put their trust in God, just as I said. They also were sinners but trusted in God and were redeemed.
What utter mumbo jumbo!! Here is a passage that is alien to your church doctrine.
Tell me what this is saying here :
[i]For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobed ...[text shortened]...
This runs completely contrary that only Christians are saved and the rest of the world are damned
@divegeester
I was going to paste in what (I think) vestid wrote which I enoyed.
Christ gave the example of the prodigal son as an example as to how he relates to the sinner. The prodigal son decides to go off on his own and wants nothing more to do with his father. All the son wants is all that his father has already given him, as if it were really his to begin with. However, the father obliges the sons will and gives him his inheritance and sends him on his way. Now at this time they are seperated. The father cannot help the son or communicate with the son because the son does not wish for the father to be there for him. The father must honer his sons will. However, the father never stops loving his son and, in fact, awaits his arrival with open arms as soon as the son wills to return. This is how I view God verses the sinner. As the God of life and love withdraws from you, via your own choice I might add, terrible things await you. This can be seen in the account of Job. Notice that God does not inflict pain and death upon Job, rather, he simply withdraws his hand slightly from his life and Satan has a field day with him. Granted, this is not the norm and in fact, his friends drilled him as to what wicked act he had committed in order to open himself up to such abuse.