Originally posted by twhitehead You should read the lyrics of Bob Dylans song (I don't know who wrote it), "With God on our side"
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/god-our-side
Nearly every war which included religious people had people on both sides chanting religious battle crys.
what about the battle of Stalingrad? did that well known advocate of religion, Joseph Stalin have religious chants, well actually no, although he did issue supreme soviet decrees, like 'not one step back' and sacrificed millions of lives in the process, a closet atheist I believe who used religion as a force for manipulation and control when it was expedient to do so.
Originally posted by daniel58 Yeah but one side had to win, they aren't equal, something had to start it and one side had to be better.
Of course that is usually true. But I was pointing out that chanting "Gods on our side" doesn't actually indicate that God supports war. People always claim God is on their side. I am still not convinced that you have given any Biblical evidence that God thinks war can be inherently good.
Originally posted by twhitehead Of course that is usually true. But I was pointing out that chanting "Gods on our side" doesn't actually indicate that God supports war. People always claim God is on their side. I am still not convinced that you have given any Biblical evidence that God thinks war can be inherently good.
Yes I have many times, He told Moses to go fight 3 times, they lost twice, because God was testing them (and him). They win the 3rd time, God's victory!
Originally posted by twhitehead ha ha ha. Aren't you the same person who doesn't believe that atheists actually exist? Or am I confusing you with someone else?
oh they exist all right, but its getting them out of the closet thats the thing! to me they are simply in denial, the pain of life having exerted its influence upon them to such an extent that they are delirious and unconscious of their spiritual need.
actually i have completely changed my attitude towards atheism since coming to this forum, and while i myself do not adopt the stance, for to me God is an undeniable reality, i more fully understand why others may.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie what about the battle of Stalingrad? did that well known advocate of religion, Joseph Stalin have religious chants, well actually no, although he did issue supreme soviet decrees, like 'not one step back' and sacrificed millions of lives in the process, a closet atheist I believe who used religion as a force for manipulation and control when it was expedient to do so.
Hitler was also someone who used religion as a force for manipulation and control when it was expedient to do so.
The german soldiers all had "God with us" on their belts. I guess at Stalingrad, not so much.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie oh they exist all right, but its getting them out of the closet thats the thing! to me they are simply in denial, the pain of life having exerted its influence upon them to such an extent that they are delirious and unconscious of their spiritual need.
actually i have completely changed my attitude towards atheism since coming to this forum, and ...[text shortened]... dopt the stance, for to me God is an undeniable reality, i more fully understand why others may.
How has it changed?
Atheists have gone from not existing to just being theists in denial? So you've gone from denial to condescention.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn How has it changed?
Atheists have gone from not existing to just being theists in denial? So you've gone from denial to condescention.
I guess it's progress.
how has it changed? for being subject to so many views and differing opinions, naturally one assimilates those opinions, and while not accepting them as our own, for how could that be, for we have our own minds and our own evaluations, at least some type of mutual understanding may be reached. as for the condescension, it was said tongue in cheek, but you were not to know that, naturally.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie how has it changed? for being subject to so many views and differing opinions, naturally one assimilates those opinions, and while not accepting them as our own, for how could that be, for we have our own minds and our own evaluations, at least some type of mutual understanding may be reached. as for the condescension, it was said tongue in cheek, but you were not to know that, naturally.
Well, you described a process of change, but not so much how your view has truly changed.... I guess I might have phrased the question better.
I'm sorry I didn't get that it was tongue in cheek - text is a terribly poor medium for some things.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn Well, you described a process of change, but not so much how your view has truly changed.... I guess I might have phrased the question better.
I'm sorry I didn't get that it was tongue in cheek - text is a terribly poor medium for some things.
alas it is true, words can be such cumbersome vehicles, unless of course one is a wordsmith and able to forge and fashion them to his will. If such is the case i must be a spoon bender.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie alas it is true, words can be such cumbersome vehicles, unless of course one is a wordsmith and able to forge and fashion them to his will. If such is the case i must be a spoon bender.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie oh they exist all right, but its getting them out of the closet thats the thing! to me they are simply in denial, the pain of life having exerted its influence upon them to such an extent that they are delirious and unconscious of their spiritual need.
Now I am confused about which closet you want them out of. I am not even sure if you think I am in or out of the closet. Maybe I should go further back and see if I can find Narnia.
actually i have completely changed my attitude towards atheism since coming to this forum, and while i myself do not adopt the stance, for to me God is an undeniable reality, i more fully understand why others may. Good to know that we are at least learning from each other even if we are not convincing each other.
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