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    11 Oct '05 14:31
    Then how can he create a stone that is unliftable?
  2. Standard memberDavid C
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    11 Oct '05 14:37
    Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
    Then how can he create a stone that is unliftable?
    I believe that is called the dj2becker paradox. Another example might be 'Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that it would then be too hot for him to eat?'
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    11 Oct '05 16:00
    I believe logic can only be used to describe God after you've found him.
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    11 Oct '05 17:59
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    I believe logic can only be used to describe God after you've found him.
    Suppose I never found some buried treasure. Would it follow I could never use logic to talk about the treasure before I found it?
  5. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    11 Oct '05 18:032 edits
    Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
    Suppose I never found some buried treasure. Would it follow I could never use logic to talk about the treasure before I found it?
    No. You can deduce several things about the treasure. One such deduction would be this: It is not the case that the treasure both is and is not a very hot burrito.

    Additionally, you can deduce that the shape of the treasure is not a 4-sided circle.

    Finally, you can say that the treasure is not so heavy that it could not be lifted by an omnipotent being.

    There may be others.
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    11 Oct '05 18:10
    Originally posted by David C
    I believe that is called the dj2becker paradox. Another example might be 'Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that it would then be too hot for him to eat?'
    Simpsons...

    God can make a rock infinity big and still lift it.
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    11 Oct '05 18:11
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    I believe logic can only be used to describe God after you've found him.
    Have you found Him? If so, give that logic thing a try. Unless, of course, you are misusing the word logic, but don't feel bad if you are. You are certainly not alone in your lack of communication skills.
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    11 Oct '05 19:053 edits
    Originally posted by thesonofsaul
    Have you found Him? If so, give that logic thing a try. Unless, of course, you are misusing the word logic, but don't feel bad if you are. You are certainly not alone in your lack of communication skills.
    No, I haven't found him yet 😞

    Anyway, what I mean is that logic can be used to explain anything. Something which is divine cannot really be explained by human words. The same words, as LordOfTheChessBoard pointed out, can be used to unexplain it. An orange needs to be tasted, not explained by words.

    Why do you think we have so many different religions? In Christianity alone there are 100's, and each believes that the other guy is doomed.

    Since I haven't found God yet I really can't say, but my best guess is that he can be found in the heart.
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    11 Oct '05 19:15
    Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
    Suppose I never found some buried treasure. Would it follow I could never use logic to talk about the treasure before I found it?
    Gold is a wordly thing.
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    11 Oct '05 19:31
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    No, I haven't found him yet 😞

    Anyway, what I mean is that logic can be used to explain anything. Something which is divine cannot really be explained by human words. The same words, as LordOfTheChessBoard pointed out, can be used to unexplain it. An orange needs to be tasted, not explained by words.

    Why do you think we have so many differe ...[text shortened]... en't found God yet I really can't say, but my best guess is that he can be found in the heart.
    Very honest, and therefore rare, answer. Thank you. I agree wholeheartedly.
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    11 Oct '05 19:51
    Originally posted by Coconut
    Simpsons...

    God can make a rock infinity big and still lift it.
    This is like the square circle, you cannot make a square circle, because
    all circles are circles not squares; a rock infinity big couldn't be lifted,
    because it would take up all space. Where could it be lifted to that
    wasn't filled with it? It could be as large as a universe and God could
    make it light enough for my daughter to lift too, may as well say that
    it has to be infinity heavy, but that too is a limitation God negates by
    his ability to create strength. If it can be done, God can do it, and only
    God knows those limitations.
    Kelly
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    11 Oct '05 19:53
    Originally posted by The Chess Express
    No, I haven't found him yet 😞

    Anyway, what I mean is that logic can be used to explain anything. Something which is divine cannot really be explained by human words. The same words, as LordOfTheChessBoard pointed out, can be used to unexplain it. An orange needs to be tasted, not explained by words.

    Why do you think we have so many differe ...[text shortened]... en't found God yet I really can't say, but my best guess is that he can be found in the heart.
    No, within Christianity it isn't that we all think other Christians are
    doomed. I agree that there are differences, but a Christian belongs
    to Christ not me, Jesus will judge His own.
    Kelly
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    11 Oct '05 19:59
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    This is like the square circle, you cannot make a square circle, because
    all circles are circles not squares; a rock infinity big couldn't be lifted,
    because it would take up all space. Where could it be lifted to that
    wasn't filled with it? It could be as large as a universe and God could
    make it light enough for my daughter to lift too, may as well ...[text shortened]... create strength. If it can be done, God can do it, and only
    God knows those limitations.
    Kelly
    Infinity is not a number. All "infinitely big" means is that it is so big that we can't know how big it is. It certainly does not mean that it takes up all the space.

    Related question: Do you believe that God can do anything, or do you believe that he is indeed bound by these "limitations" you speak of?
  14. Standard memberKellyJay
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    11 Oct '05 20:11
    Originally posted by thesonofsaul
    Infinity is not a number. All "infinitely big" means is that it is so big that we can't know how big it is. It certainly does not mean that it takes up all the space.

    Related question: Do you believe that God can do anything, or do you believe that he is indeed bound by these "limitations" you speak of?
    God can do anything that can be done, I've already said that.
    Limitations are like the square circle, it is what it is.

    There is nothing that isn't completely known by God, so for God
    there isn't an infinite by how you define it. For us the scope of what
    we don't know far surpasses what we do know, or even think we know.
    Kelly
  15. Standard memberthesonofsaul
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    11 Oct '05 20:46
    The concept of the square circle is based entirely upon language, which is entirely human, or at least mortal. Are you saying that God is limited by something as entirely mortal as definition?
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