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    They holiday in hell.
  2. Donationrwingett
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    As part of their contract, they have to log onto RHP's spirituality forum for eight hours a day and write posts defending the concept of 'free will' and bashing evolution.
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    As part of their contract, they have to log onto RHP's spirituality forum for eight hours a day and write posts defending the concept of 'free will' and bashing evolution.
    The only thing more boring then the heaven discribed in this thread, is people who don't study the Bible for themselves but want to spout off about the Christian faith.

    Possibly one more boring thing. The ones who accuse others of expounding the Bible as plagerizers.

    This means you rwingett.
  4. Donationrwingett
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    08 Feb '08 14:33
    Originally posted by jaywill
    The only thing more boring then the heaven discribed in this thread, is people who don't study the Bible for themselves but want to spout off about the Christian faith.

    Possibly one more boring thing. The ones who accuse others of expounding the Bible as [b]plagerizers.


    This means you rwingett.[/b]
    Did you write that post I was referring to?

    And learn how to spell 'plagiarize.'
  5. Pale Blue Dot
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    I hear they have a good gruyere.
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    Start by reading the Bible more carefully.

    Where does it say that the saved believers have thier eternal destiny in heaven?

    Could you point that out to me?

    Now somewhere in this long list of discussions, I started one which hasn't had a submission in months. It was called "Beyond Going to Heaven"

    You might read some of the things I wrote there and continue with the thread with questions on the subject.
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    So the souls of the saved are to live on Earth, this still doesn't counter by points about what the people (souls) will do with their time, putting to one side for now, about the physical state of the Earth and it's ultimate demise, what are the saved souls to do on this Earth, my points about the lack of enjoyable activities to take part in still remain.

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    Okay.

    One thing you have to realize is that in the age of eternity there are not only the transformed sons of God which make up New Jerusalem. But there are also the nations who are granted an everlasting life. These nations are the nations over which the Bible says the sons of God will reign forever and ever:

    " ... for the Lord God will shine upon them; and they will reign forever and ever." (See Revelation 22:5)

    This reigning forever and ever is not the sons of God reigning over each other. It is their carrying out God's divine administration over the nations that are then on the earth coming out of the great tribulation and the millennial age.

    The reigning of the sons of God is also their serving God as His servants:

    "And there will be no longer a curse. And the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His slaves will serve Him." (Rev. 22:3)

    To serve God is the reign for God expressing God's authority and God's glory.

    This reigning includes "healing". The words healing indicate all manner of shepherding, encouraging, teaching, instructing, uplifting, edifying, nourishing, cherishing, and generally restoring mankind. This healing is symbolically indicated in these words:

    "And on this side and on that side of the river was the tree of life, producing twelve fruits, yeilding its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." (Rev. 22:2)

    The tree of life represents Christ as the life of God to be the "food" of the sons of God. The leaves of the tree of life represent the outward behavior of the sons of God. For their to be healing in the leaves of the tree of life represents the healing in the acts, actions, behavior, ministry, service, and lives of the sons of God who take into themselves the life of God.

    In John 15 Jesus said that He was the True Vine and the disciples are the branches. So Christ as the tree of life - the Vine Tree of life has attached to Him the branches of His saved people.

    The healing leaves are doing their healing each month for the cycle of twelve months. This means perpetually, faithfully, they are serving Christ providing restoration to the surrounding nations on the new earth.

    This includes the meek inheriting the earth. Isaiah says that the extent of the kingdom of the Son of God is without end. This could mean that its extent is the very extent of the universe.

    It is not too much to imagine that all of this cosmic real estate has some purpose to God in the eternal future. If His kingdom has no extent then we may very well imagine that Christ will expand His kingdom to the galaxies.

    I don't press this point too far because it is speculation. But it is logical speculation I think. He created the worlds. most likely, for some reason.

    Lastly, the sons of God are said to be the Bride and Wife of the Lamb Christ. Who knows what the Wife will request of her Husband and receive in love as an answer to her request. We can assume that she will request that which is in harmony with the will of God.

    She has eternity. And God is depicted as a river of water of life because there is no end to His riches. He must continually flow and flow and flow all the riches of His being into man forever. He cannot be exhausted.

    I have to leave now. I will return. But you should also know that eternity is a fuller taste of the foretaste of what believers in Jesus are enjoying today. What we enjoy of God today is a foretaste, a appitiezer of a fuller meal to come. It is a seal and a promise of greater enjoyment of the same nature to come.
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    I have to leave now. I will return.
    damn
  9. chupacabra palace
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    yes

    if you have ever read the book "The Amber Spyglass" it puts out something close to what i've always believed.

    even though it is a fiction book.
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    Your right of course. All that talk about eternal blissful love is lacking to say the least when really all that is needed for entertainment for people like yourself are a few bars and strip clubs. Why did'nt John include that in his description of heaven? Oh well, just an oversight I guess.
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    So the souls of the saved are to live on Earth, this still doesn't counter by points about what the people (souls) will do with their time, putting to one side for now, about the physical state of the Earth and it's ultimate demise, what are the saved souls to do on this Earth, my points about the lack of enjoyable activities to take part in still remain.
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    You speak of "the souls of the sved." Then you use the expression "the people (souls)." Of course the full salvation of God includes the body, the soul, and the spirit of man. There is no such think as detached souls in an earthly or heavenly paradise. The salvation of God is exceedingly practical and covers the regeneration of the spirit, the transformation of the soul, and the transfiguration of the body. The resurrected and glorified entire human being is brought into a union with God.

    The New Testament says the believers are "swallowed up by life". The word for life there is the divine ZOE life of God Himself.

    " ... we do not desire to be unclothed, but clothed upon, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life." (2 Cor. 5:4)

    This means that the saved are swallowed up in God Himself - filled with God, saturated with God, permeated with God, soaked with God -swallowed up in God's life.

    Since they have divine life within on the inside and divine life without swallowing them up there can be said, within and without, to be permeated with God's divine life. Therefore the destiny of the saved is to be mingled with God, swallowed up by His glorious eternal life and made one with Him. This is for God's expression from within humanity and man's enjoyment.

    I have found nothing more enjoyable than living with Jesus within.

    What the believers have today is a "foretaste" or a pledge of the fuller enjoyment to come - "Now He who has wrought us for this very thing is God, who has given to us the Spirit as a pledge." (2 Cor. 5:5)

    Revelation depicts Christ, the Lamb, leading the saved to many many springs of the waters of life:

    "For the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and guide them to springs of waters of life; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes." (Rev. 7:17)

    Since God is the eternal life who indwells them and has swallowed them up, for Christ to guide them the springs of waters of life denotes Christ guiding man to more and more enjoyment of God Himself.

    And they serve Him - " ... they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits upon the throne will tabernacle over them." (Rev. 7:15)

    The temple is really the Triune God Himself, a living Person who will tabernacle over His people. This means to spread out Himself over His people as a tabernacle. He dispenses His life into His people, permeating them, saturating them, filling thier humanity up with His divine nature. In this way the living God spreads out as a living tabernacle over them and they serve Him in Himself as the living temple.


    The dimensions of Christ are taught to be infinite. His dimensions are taught to be like the dimensions of the universe itself:

    " That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith ... rooted and grounded in love, may be full of strength to apprehend with all the saints what the breadth and length and height and depth are and to know the knowledge surpassing love of Christ" (Eph. 3:18,19)

    No one knows how broad is "the breadth". No one knows how long is "the length". No one knows how high is "the height" or how deep is "the depth". These are the endless measurements of the universe itself.

    The expression conveys how much there is to the riches of this one who is to make His home in the hearts of the believers through faith.

    And this expanding enjoyment of God mingled with man takes place in a new heaven and new earth in which righteousness dwells.

    "But according to His promise we are expecting new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells." (2 Peter 3:13)

    We may also apply the following passage, I believe, to the entire experience of exploring the riches of Christ from His life, death, resurrection, impartation, and in all things related to the blessing of eternity:

    "But as it is written, Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard and which have not come up in man's heart; things which God has prepared for those who love Him." (1 Cor. 2:10)


    What shall the saved do? Serve Him and do greater things that He said the body of believers would do:

    "Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes into Me, the works which I do he shall do also; and greater than these he shall do because I am going to the Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that Iwill do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it." (John 14:13,14)

    The perfected saints who live in the Lord in perfect union are the ones asking "in His name". What they ask is according to God's will. And these include "greater" things accomplished by Christ. The fulfillment of this promise extends out to eternity.

    Once brought into organic union with Christ in mingling and incorporation of God and man as the united masterpiece, whatever we ask of Him in the Son's name will be done for us.

    So I trust that eternity will be quite exciting. Today in Christ as we are being perfected is also quite exciting to the saved.

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    (For rwingett, who is concerned about plagerism - Get yourself a Recovery Version of the Bible published by Living Stream Ministry and study the footnotes of Witness Lee to see where I get a lot of these ideas.)
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  12. Donationrwingett
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    So the souls of the saved are to live on Earth, this still doesn't counter by points about what the people (souls) will do with their time, putting to one side for now, about the physical state of the Earth and it's ultimate demise, what are the saved souls to do on this Earth, my points about the lack of enjoyable act these ideas.)
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    Do you think I really care about your "ideas" or where you get them from? I'm just looking to score cheap points against you. Here's another cheap point: You make yourself look like an idiot for continually misspelling 'plagiarism.' Especially since I've taken the time to correct your error once already. There is no 'e' in 'plagiarism.'

    Go your way and sin no more.
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    Do you think I really care about your "ideas" or where you get them from?
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    No! I don't think you care at all. But you raised plagerism so I include that note for you.

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    I'm just looking to score cheap points against you.
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    You'd have to improve about 120% before they could be dignified by being called "cheap points".

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    Here's another cheap point: You make yourself look like an idiot for continually misspelling 'plagiarism.'
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    Thanks for telling me. You're a good boy.

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    Especially since I've taken the time to correct your error once already. There is no 'e' in 'plagiarism.'
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    Thanks.
  14. Donationrwingett
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    Originally posted by jaywill
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    I'm just looking to score cheap points against you.
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    You'd have to improve about 120% before they could be dignified by being called "cheap points".
    That's inflation at work for you. I remember the old days when pointing out spelling errors were worth 1.5 cheap points apiece. Those were the days.
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    09 Feb '08 16:23
    Originally posted by rwingett
    That's inflation at work for you. I remember the old days when pointing out spelling errors were worth 1.5 cheap points apiece. Those were the days.
    Ecclesiastes 7:10.

    Do your homework.
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