Is it my job

Originally posted by KellyJay
You want credit for all the government does? Do you think that when the government
forces money out people and spends it on X that, that is something you are a part of?
You want to have all the blood the government has on its hands on yours, you want the
pain that the government has put upon people being put on your account too?

We the people are call ...[text shortened]... it should be you doing, it should be you not something you were forced to be
a part of by law.

In the US, We the People are certainly the government "of the people, by the people and for the people". If you don't like what the government is doing, then vote. Better yet, get involved.

From the Preamble to the US Constitution, the document that all conservatives claim is "the law of the land":
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

If only those who claim to honor this document actually would do these things, namely:
1. Establish Justice -- By stonewalling on Pres. Obama's choice for Supreme Court Justice, Merrick Garland, Congress is allowing this vital task to fall by the wayside.
2. Insure Domestic Tranquility -- If our cities actually had Domestic Tranquility, instead of gang violence and racial violence, Congress could not move to arm our municipal police forces militarily, and it continues to promote standing armies to quell public demonstrations, insuring anything but 'Domestic Tranquility'.
3. Provide for the Common Defense -- This is the only one they manage to pull off, and only because unbridled Defense spending makes corporations rich.
4. Promote the General Welfare -- We have Republicans like John Boehner who was quoted last year as saying that his proudest moment in Congress was crushing entitlement programs. Congress is only interested in Promoting the General Welfare of already-rich Corporations, not the People whom their Government is supposedly "of", "by" and "for". This has resulted in the greatest disparity between the rich 1% and the other 99% the world has ever seen.
5. Secure the Blessings of Liberty -- As long as you're white, and/or a man. Or rich. Or straight. No, Liberty needs to be for everyone. We've made big strides in the past such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Same-sex marriage has been legal for almost a year now nationwide, but clearly, more work needs to be done.

These are the various responsibilities of our Government. You should not be shoving these responsibilities onto the People. We pay our Representatives a great deal of money and esteem to represent us, the People, to the best of their abilities, but they are only interested in their own gravy train and ensuring that they are re-elected. So much so that they have fallen down on their Responsibility of following through on the promises of our Government as set forth in the Preamble to our Constitution, the very document that these representatives say they revere, but through their actions, they disrespect it every single day.

My point in all this is that we should hold their feet to the fire. They should do their job, or get out of the way. It's our responsibility, to ourselves and our Posterity, to hold our Representatives accountable and to either do what we elected them to do, or go home and stop sucking off the public teat to increase their own fortunes at our expense.

One of our Presidents, Theodore Roosevelt, said "Speak softly and carry a big stick." We've been speaking softly for far too long, and we need to start wielding the "big stick". Our "big stick" is the ballot box, and we need to start using it sensibly to help bring about our "more perfect Union".

Originally posted by Suzianne
In the US, We the People are certainly the government "of the people, by the people and for the people". If you don't like what the government is doing, then vote. Better yet, get involved.

From the Preamble to the US Constitution, the document that all conservatives claim is "the law of the land":
"We the People of the United States, in Order to fo ...[text shortened]... ballot box, and we need to start using it sensibly to help bring about our "more perfect Union".

Do you have a say in how your government's money is spent? Seriously, we are 19
Trillion dollars in debt and counting you are involved in that? You have input in the deals
these guys in government make to make sure they are well taken care of instead of those
that they were voted to protect? It isn't that we don't vote, but we have no controlling say
in any of it.

This election cycle has shown us we really have little say in who is in charge, that it really
has more to do with party bosses than it does who the people have voted for. If you
support Bernie or Trump that should be very clear by now those in control want to stay
in control.

My point is that being forced to put into the government pot does not answer any of the
commands to take care of others around us, if anything it slows us up from doing what
we can do. Reason being for many, "I pay taxes" is what they think and say. So if your
giving to the poor is your tax money, it isn't giving to the poor your forced to give your
tax money to the government who spends it on more than a few things that hurt the poor
than helps them.

1. The system is broken I'm more concern about the government not holding those in it
accountable to laws than a court spot. So they pick and choose what laws when to up
hold instead of enforcing them all upon all equally.
2. I'm more worried about a government that pits one group of people against another
based upon something as simple as skin color or how much money they make. We see
enough violence in the streets many of our laws about how we govern ourselves could
be toast.
3. You think your safer today than ever due to outside threats when the boarders are
not longer controlled?
4. I agree with you, but do not limit it to just Republicans making themselves rich, look at
how much everyone in power is worth! The left wing and right wings are the two wings
from the same bird. As long as they are given passes by the people the left can scream
about the right and the right scream about the left getting rich. The only time they have
to worry is when the left screams about the left and the right screams about the right. We
are getting little bits of that this time, but I have a feeling it will work out for them in the
end. *them being those in power* The 1% makes out no matter who is in power, which
should tell you something about the rich getter richer.
5. Pitting one group against another...it is a common theme.

You are responsible for YOUR actions not the governments, we render under to God
those that belong to God and Caesar's *government* what is Caesars, they are not the
same things! The fact that we no longer feel obligated to reach out to each others should
tell you something! Those in charge do not respect the Constitution, they respect the
power they have and how they can use it to make themselves, and their friends rich.

If we were a people govern by laws than the laws could not be set aside if a Republican
is in power or a Democrat. Right now they pick and choose when to apply laws. If one of
in power we favor gets caught breaking the law, we are taught/trained to spend more time
worrying about how the other party is going to make hay about it than punishing the one
who broke the law.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you have a say in how your government's money is spent? Seriously, we are 19
Trillion dollars in debt and counting you are involved in that? You have input in the deals
these guys in government make to make sure they are well taken care of instead of those
that they were voted to protect? It isn't that we don't vote, but we have no controlling say
in ...[text shortened]... out how the other party is going to make hay about it than punishing the one
who broke the law.

What irrational drivel. You have a well trodden track like a donkey that takes you round and round in circles.

Originally posted by finnegan
What irrational drivel. You have a well trodden track like a donkey that takes you round and round in circles.

I see you've managed to bad mouth without answering points, why bother?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I see you've managed to bad mouth without answering points, why bother?

You saw fit to natter away to Dasa, proponent of genocide and apologist for rape, so you're surely not going to have a falling out with finnegan now, are you? 😉

Originally posted by KellyJay
I see you've managed to bad mouth without answering points, why bother?

Exactly so: why bother indeed.

Originally posted by finnegan
Exactly so: why bother indeed.

Would have thought more of you after reading your home page.

Originally posted by Suzianne
In the US, We the People are certainly the government "of the people, by the people and for the people". If you don't like what the government is doing, then vote. Better yet, get involved.

From the Preamble to the US Constitution, the document that all conservatives claim is "the law of the land":
"We the People of the United States, in Order to fo ...[text shortened]... ballot box, and we need to start using it sensibly to help bring about our "more perfect Union".

A few thoughts on your five points.

1. ...By stonewalling on Pres. Obama's choice for Supreme Court Justice, Merrick Garland, Congress is allowing this vital task to fall by the wayside.
The establishment of justice was the second task by design in the adoption of the Constitution, the first a wide-ranging goal of forming a "more perfect union."
Simply put, it was prescription to the government as well as a restriction on its powers: judge according to the law, everyone on the same level.
The Supreme Court hears ~80 cases a year out of ~7000 requested and adds to their decisions ~50 without testimony... so nearly 2% of the total requests.
Compare that number to the cases heard in state courts (the last information gathered from ten years ago): 46% of 102,400,000 cases heard which were not traffic related, or ~47,100,000 cases.
The cases heard by the Supreme Court, although most times very impacting due to its legislative bents, do not even spit in the general direction of the mass amount heard by the state courts: where the rubber most often meets the road, as it were.
Not allowing Obama to get his selection through to the Supreme Court--- in the scheme of things--- is not short-circuiting an establishment of justice for anyone.

2. ...If our cities actually had Domestic Tranquility, instead of gang violence and racial violence, Congress could not move to arm our municipal police forces militarily, and it continues to promote standing armies to quell public demonstrations, insuring anything but 'Domestic Tranquility'.
The insurance of the government in this aspect was intended to declare the allegiance of the entire defense for the sake of the few or the one, meaning states.
Were any of the individual states attacked, all would come to bear.
How the states conduct their own affairs is what leads to their own respective tranquility... or lack thereof.
Proof of this is seen in the disparate rates of crime in the 50 states: Vermont is sub-150's for violent crime per 100,000 citizens, while Indiana is nearly 900/100,000.

3. ...This is the only one they manage to pull off, and only because unbridled Defense spending makes corporations rich.
I'm far more isolationist than you on this one, leaning heavily on the Monroe Doctrine when it comes to military and it's applications.
By my way of thinking, we aren't in defense; we're on offense.

4. ...This has resulted in the greatest disparity between the rich 1% and the other 99% the world has ever seen.
All the while, those programs which (as stated) were directed at providing for the general welfare have been in place.
Something's wrong with the formula.
Perhaps a flat tax based upon goods and services is not as far off base as some would have us think.
Perhaps a fiscally prudent budget is in order.
Perhaps the lobbyist-controlled elections are an affront to the democratic process--- since we long ago gave up on being a republic.

5. ...Same-sex marriage has been legal for almost a year now nationwide, but clearly, more work needs to be done.
The framers of the Constitution would roll over in their graves if they weren't afraid of getting one from behind.
No matter what way you slice it, no matter how much duct tape you put over the receiving end of the telescope, it is simply not possible to construe the blessings of liberty were intended for acts of a sexual and ultimately private nature.

Part of the problem we have faced over the recent decades is our fevered pitch to expand the government into areas a free man simply doesn't want it reaching.
The government as ruler is our enemy; the founders knew this and specifically tied balloons and colorful bows all over the concept.
They implored all the citizens to constantly and vigilantly be deathly wary of the government taking over the freedom their spilled blood won on our behalf.
The government must return to be servant, or those under its spell/rule will be destroyed.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
A few thoughts on your five points.

[b]1. ...By stonewalling on Pres. Obama's choice for Supreme Court Justice, Merrick Garland, Congress is allowing this vital task to fall by the wayside.
The establishment of justice was the second task by design in the adoption of the Constitution, the first a wide-ranging goal of forming a "more perfect union." ...[text shortened]... alf.
The government must return to be servant, or those under its spell/rule will be destroyed.[/b]

"Perhaps a flat tax based upon goods and services is not as far off base as some would have us think. "

With respect to our tax system now it really isn't designed around wages as much as it
is controlling behavior. The *BREAKS* it gives are put there for causing certain actions
to be made and limiting others. The down side to this is that it gives power to those that
set the rules over the ruled. If we were really being taxed just for income a flat tax would
do it. Now our choices are more about tax breaks instead of what we would desire in life.

The reason I think this still fits the Spirituality board is that we are being manipulated to
think and act certain ways, just like those that accuse scripture writers of doing. The only
difference in my opinion is that we know our law makers are doing it, they admit it.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Would have thought more of you after reading your home page.

You could add him to your lengthening ignore list...?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
A few thoughts on your five points.

[b]1. ...By stonewalling on Pres. Obama's choice for Supreme Court Justice, Merrick Garland, Congress is allowing this vital task to fall by the wayside.
The establishment of justice was the second task by design in the adoption of the Constitution, the first a wide-ranging goal of forming a "more perfect union." ...[text shortened]... alf.
The government must return to be servant, or those under its spell/rule will be destroyed.[/b]

Well said Freaky.

Take to 'debates' you loons.