Originally posted by vivifyYes women are counseled to be modest, as are men.
Biblically speaking, is it wrong for women to be topless in public places where men can be topless? Is there biblical support for either allowing or condemning public toplessness of women?
Likewise, the women should adorn themselves in appropriate dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive clothing, but in the way that is proper for women professing devotion to God, namely, through good works.
1 Tim 2:9
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow very banal and middle of the road. 🙂
Yes women are counseled to be modest, as are men.
Likewise, the women should adorn themselves in appropriate dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive clothing, but in the way that is proper for women professing devotion to God, namely, through good works.
1 Tim 2:9
Originally posted by vivifyI don't recall anything in specific in the Holy Bible about the prohibition of women going topless in public places. I believe that would be something that would depend on the customs of the culture. In most civilizations, it is not considered proper for women to go topless in public.
Biblically speaking, is it wrong for women to be topless in public places where men can be topless? Is there biblical support for either allowing or condemning public toplessness of women?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"appropriate" changes with the setting.
Yes women are counseled to be modest, as are men.
Likewise, the women should adorn themselves in appropriate dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive clothing, but in the way that is proper for women professing devotion to God, namely, through good works.
1 Tim 2:9
If it's Mardi Gras time in New Orleans, it's quite appropriate for women to go topless.
Same goes for 'modest'. What's modest? A burka? A full dress with a high neckline and hem at the ankles? A t-shirt and shorts that fully cover the ass? Depends on who you ask.
A society of islanders may have all women topless all the time without anyone in that society thinking it's a big deal.
Point is, these considerations are going to be entirely sociologically driven. The bible isn't going to be so much help.
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Originally posted by BigDoggProblemlook no one is asking you to wear a three piece suit on the beach or go to work in a bikini, the operative word is modesty, that is not drawing attention to oneself. Is parading in a parade not done with the sole intent of drawing attention to yourself, well then your analogy is quite silly and an attempt to introduce other cultures where women may well go topless is clutching at straws and certainly does not negate the Bibles excellent advice on being modest.
"appropriate" changes with the setting.
If it's Mardi Gras time in New Orleans, it's quite appropriate for women to go topless.
Same goes for 'modest'. What's modest? A burka? A full dress with a high neckline and hem at the ankles? A t-shirt and shorts that fully cover the ass? Depends on who you ask.
A society of islanders may have all wome ...[text shortened]... ations are going to be entirely sociologically driven. The bible isn't going to be so much help.
Now i now you are going to cry and whine, but just suck it up and you'll be ok.
there are three elements to this particular piece of advice,
1. what is appropriate,
2. that its modest
3. that it befits women (and men) professing reference for God
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat was the point of the islander example; you can be topless and modest at the same time, because everyone else is.
look no one is asking you to wear a three piece suit on the beach or go to work in a bikini, the operative word is modesty, that is not drawing attention to oneself. Is parading in a parade not done with the sole intent of drawing attention to yourself, well then your analogy is quite silly and an attempt to introduce other cultures where women may ...[text shortened]... ppropriate,
2. that its modest
3. that it befits women (and men) professing reference for God
What analogy? I didn't make one. I should think you have to learn to properly recognize an analogy before you can rate it.
I think you secretly hope people cry and whine in response to your posts because that's all you really want out of these forums. You aren't a good debater, and you don't care that you're not.
Note that the Islander example satisfies all 3 of your 'elements', if those islanders also believe in God.
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Originally posted by vivifyI would point out the hypocrisy in singling out women.
This thread is about being topless, not genitalia.
Men have breasts too... They are typically [although not always]
smaller than women's are, but we all have them.
If men can be topless then I can't think of any compelling [and importantly
non-sexist] reason why women can't be topless also.
But then I don't get my beliefs from bronze age tribesmen.