1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    30 May '11 01:43
    Just asking?
    Kelly
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    30 May '11 01:49
    not if you get pleasure from pain.
  3. Standard memberRajk999
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    30 May '11 01:58
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Just asking?
    Kelly
    You need to define the terms 'bad' and 'good'.
  4. Standard memberRJHinds
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    30 May '11 02:03
    Originally posted by trev33
    not if you get pleasure from pain.
    Sometimes reading these posts is painful, but we seem compelled
    to read them, perhaps we are getting some pleasure from it.
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    30 May '11 02:37
    Pain is a response of our body that demands our attention - usually to something that is damaging or potentially damaging. So, I would say that pain is good, since it tells us of something happening that we need to address.
    Pleasure is almost by definition good isn't it?
    So, I would say both are good, for different reasons.
  6. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    30 May '11 04:16
    pain is pain. pleasure is plaesure. good is good. bad ia bad.

    I have noticed that christians generally have some extra meanings for "bad", (than the average person).
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    30 May '11 04:17
    Originally posted by amannion
    Pain is a response of our body that demands our attention - usually to something that is damaging or potentially damaging. So, I would say that pain is good, since it tells us of something happening that we need to address.
    Pleasure is almost by definition good isn't it?
    So, I would say both are good, for different reasons.
    It is said that emotional and physical pain is actually good for the soul. If you understand that you're more than welcome in my clan.
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    30 May '11 06:25
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Just asking?
    Kelly
    Yes.
    However, all good/bad judgments must take into account the greater good, so if pain brings benefit that offsets the bad, then overall, it may be good. Equally, pleasure that results in bad may overall be bad. (Eg you may take pleasure from money or goods that you steal, but at the same time you cause pain to the victim.)
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    30 May '11 09:09
    Originally posted by amannion
    Pain is a response of our body that demands our attention - usually to something that is damaging or potentially damaging. So, I would say that pain is good, since it tells us of something happening that we need to address.
    Pleasure is almost by definition good isn't it?
    So, I would say both are good, for different reasons.
    pleasure can be gained from heroin or sniffing lead paint. so not all pleasure is "good"
  10. Standard memberKellyJay
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    30 May '11 13:31
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    It is said that emotional and physical pain is actually good for the soul. If you understand that you're more than welcome in my clan.
    If both are good or both can be bad, does that mean they are amoral really,
    and that we have to look at intent and even there be suppect since as the
    saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions?
    Kelly
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    30 May '11 18:48
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Just asking?
    Kelly
    Yes, generally pain is bad and pleasure is good -but that's far from the only things that are bad and good.
    For example, I would say, subjectively, being delusional is intrinsically bad and having pity on the unfortunate is intrinsically good.
    Suddenly going a bit off-topic here, I would also like to add:

    Love is the ultimate insult to evil but pity comes as a close second.
  12. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    30 May '11 20:48
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    If both are good or both can be bad, does that mean they are amoral really,
    and that we have to look at intent and even there be suppect since as the
    saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions?
    Kelly
    Yes
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