Originally posted by avalanchethecat So... what was the dealio creating people with free will and then destroying them all after they chose to do stuff that he didn't like? Seems like a pretty dodgy sort of god to me. Not even control freakery that, just a total dick-move.
God wanted people that were good, but that also could love. Without the free will to choose, there could really be no love. However, with free will they were able to also choose evil over good and God must elimate evil and so God was forced to destroy those people that became to think about doing evil constantly in order to save the good ones from going extinct. 😏
Originally posted by robbie carrobie No he didn't you namby pamby soft sided underbelly of a gay dolphin called Lenny, he stated that there would be a great tribulation, that only those that exercise faith can be saved, etc etc
"For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heave ...[text shortened]... rational and reasoning person can discern the difference. Nothing Jesus ever said negates this.
at least half of those quotes say plainly that everyone can be saved.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi at least half of those quotes say plainly that everyone can be saved.
none say that some are beyond saving.
No one has claimed that anyone is beyond saving, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie No one has claimed that anyone is beyond saving, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie If you are unable to discern the difference than I refuse to argue with such stupidity against which even the Gods themselves cannot contend.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie If you are unable to discern the difference than I refuse to argue with such stupidity against which even the Gods themselves cannot contend.
you sure told me
"No one has claimed that anyone is beyond saving, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable."
let me help you out:
"No one has claimed that anyone irredeemable, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable."
"No one has claimed that anyone is beyond saving, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable."
let me help you out:
"No one has claimed that anyone irredeemable, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable."
Thanks but if i ever need your help it will be time to call it a day and make for the nearest tall building with which to throw myself from.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie Thanks but if i ever need your help it will be time to call it a day and make for the nearest tall building with which to throw myself from.
beyond saving and irredeemable are the same thing.
I must say Robbie, I've really enjoyed seeing you argue that 'irredeemable' means something other than beyond redemption, although it's not entirely clear what you think it does mean. All very amusing though. Do you think the bible uses 'redeem' in the fiscal sense then? Lol.
"No one has claimed that anyone is beyond saving, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable."
let me help you out:
"No one has claimed that anyone irredeemable, what was actually claimed was that those in the flood and other instances of Gods judicial action were killed because they were irredeemable."
Yet another graduate of FMF's school of "Twist and Shout" debating.
Originally posted by Zahlanzi beyond saving and iredeemable are the same thing.
After reading through this thread trying to figure out why you said that, I have concluded two things.
#1 You're right. Irredeemable and beyond saving mean the same thing.
#2 No one is beyond saving or irredeemable unless they're dead.
Personally, I don't think those that drowned in the flood were beyond saving. Noah preached to them the coming of God's judgement for 120 years. Apparently nobody was interested in being saved.
The same holds true for today. The offer of eternal life as a free gift is still available to anyone that believes.
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