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Originally posted by GascraftYes
What do you think?
Kelly
Originally posted by epiphinehasBut doesn’t this contradict your doctrine of election? Can the elect become “unelect” and separated from God because they are deceived by the deceiver? Or are there some who are not among the elect, who are not predestined either way, and whom God wishes to save, but who might be lost due to Satan’s activities?
"Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14).
"You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God" (Ephesians 2:2).
"If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidde cuser. He tempts people to break God's law, then accuses them before the Lord.
Originally posted by vistesdI really don't know. I've been basically parroting the scripture. It's starting to become apparent to me that there is a great mystery involved in God's grace (the elect, etc.). One which I am unable to adequately explain.
But doesn’t this contradict your doctrine of election? Can the elect become “unelect” and separated from God because they are deceived by the deceiver? Or are there some who are not among the elect, who are not predestined either way, and whom God wishes to save, but who might be lost due to Satan’s activities?
In that case, if anyone loses salvation b ...[text shortened]... or
(2) Soteriologically, Satan doesn’t matter, and hence (on that score) need not be feared.
Originally posted by jonas555It makes sense to me. Think about it. Why are some people so nasty? Is it because they do not like certain people? In all actuality, it is more likely that they simply are filled with hate no matter who is around them. For example, when you fall in love, what are you like to be around? More than likely you are happy and want to share your happiness with others around you. Conversely, if you break up with that person what kind of person are you like to be around? More than likely you are a real drag and not nice to be around because you are miserable. This is how I picture Lucifer and his minions. They are simply nasty to be around because they are seperated from the Creator and are miserable as a result. They are full of hate and fear and no matter who they encounter they will be more than happy to share their misery with us. In fact, we feel compelled to share how we feel with others whether it be for good or for ill.
A magical bad guy running around convincing good people to do bad things and encouraging bad people to keep up the good work?
No, I don't buy it.
Originally posted by epiphinehas>> NRS Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and produce great signs and omens, to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
I really don't know. I've been basically parroting the scripture. It's starting to become apparent to me that there is a great mystery involved in God's grace (the elect, etc.). One which I am unable to adequately explain.
At one end of the spectrum, everything is determined and foreknown (God's perspective), and at our end everything is undetermin ...[text shortened]... nt of His purpose. I cannot choose 1 or 2, because neither rings true biblically.
Originally posted by GascraftI think evil lives in all of us, and life is about learning to recognise it's misleading influence on us, and through doing this, minimise or even remove the influence.
What do you think?
Originally posted by whodeyActually I wasn't trying to be nasty. I was just trying to give a short description of the devil the way I saw him, which was as a ridiculous and unlikely, and my answer to the question, so I'm sorry if you took it that way.
It makes sense to me. Think about it. Why are some people so nasty? Is it because they do not like certain people? In all actuality, it is more likely that they simply are filled with hate no matter who is around them. For example, when you fall in love, what are you like to be around? More than likely you are happy and want to share your happiness with ...[text shortened]... In fact, we feel compelled to share how we feel with others whether it be for good or for ill.
Originally posted by epiphinehasfrom God's perspective everything is at rest, decided, predetermined, foreknown, etc.
I really don't know. I've been basically parroting the scripture. It's starting to become apparent to me that there is a great mystery involved in God's grace (the elect, etc.). One which I am unable to adequately explain.
At one end of the spectrum, everything is determined and foreknown (God's perspective), and at our end everything is undetermin ...[text shortened]... nt of His purpose. I cannot choose 1 or 2, because neither rings true biblically.