@fmf saidNot human, but like angels. Yes free will is not removed. This is the reason why Jesus warned people to 'go and sin no more". Sinners are not going to be welcome and will be destroyed
A simple slew of questions for those who believe in the Christian concept of an afterlife.
"Evil" is the result of humans exercising free will, right?
Humans are "evil" by their very nature, yes?
Is there free will in the afterlife?
Are humans still humans in the afterlife?
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:6-8 KJV)
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@rajk999 saidNot trying to be argumentative but it doesn’t say “sinners” generally, just those specific deeds.
Not human, but like angels. Yes free will is not removed. This is the reason why Jesus warned people to 'go and sin no more". Sinners are not going to be welcome and will be destroyed
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh sh ...[text shortened]... which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:6-8 KJV)
Also I’m not aware of any scriptures/texts which support an opinion on free will in the afterlife.
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The question “Is there free will in the afterlife?” is absurd. I’ll let you into a little secret- NO ONE WHO IS ALIVE KNOWS. I have no quarrel with anyone who is feeble-brained enough to believe in the afterlife, that is their prerogative, but it is only a belief. Just as there is no proof that God exists, there is no proof or logical reason to support an afterlife. What exactly do you suppose is the ‘stuff’ of this supposed non-corporeal afterexistence? Energy? Spirit?(whatever that means), life force? Stripped of its human brain, memory, emotions and personality this woo-woo religious construct would appear to possess very little ‘will’ alone, let alone the philosophical dichotomy of free or predestined will.
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@pianoman1 saidI believe in an afterlife but I wouldn’t consider myself to be “feeble-brained”.
I have no quarrel with anyone who is feeble-brained enough to believe in the afterlife, that is their prerogative, but it is only a belief.
Perhaps one indicator of a feeble brain is lacking the intellectual curiosity to understand the sociological, psychological and emotional drivers which propagate such beliefs?
@divegeester saidKnow ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV)
Not trying to be argumentative but it doesn’t say “sinners” generally, just those specific deeds.
Is this better?
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@divegeester saidThe expression 'free will' [the ability to exercise judgment and make decisions on ones own] is not in the bible, but one cannot rule as kings and priests with Christ without free will. Of course the bible also says that these chosen people have the 'mind of Christ'. I cannot say if that negates free will.
Also I’m not aware of any scriptures/texts which support an opinion on free will in the afterlife.
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@divegeester saidJude 1:6:
Also I’m not aware of any scriptures/texts which support an opinion on free will in the afterlife.
'And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,'
Rebellious angels seem to suggest there is free will in heaven/afterlife.
@divegeester saidDivegeester, I respect your belief in the afterlife. I call it feeble-brained because I believe, I may be wrong (probably am), that much of this belief is based upon hope. Hope that there is more to come. Not only hope, but a certain smugness that members of your club will be saved in the afterlife.
I believe in an afterlife but I wouldn’t consider myself to be “feeble-brained”.
Perhaps one indicator of a feeble brain is lacking the intellectual curiosity to understand the sociological, psychological and emotional drivers which propagate such beliefs?
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@pianoman1 saidIt's a theological question, that's all.
The question “Is there free will in the afterlife?” is absurd. I’ll let you into a little secret- NO ONE WHO IS ALIVE KNOWS.
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@pianoman1 saidThere are many people who are certainly not "feeble-brained" who believe in an afterlife. Your disagreement with them, to my way of thinking, would be just as valid without your name calling.
I have no quarrel with anyone who is feeble-brained enough to believe in the afterlife, that is their prerogative, but it is only a belief.
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@pianoman1 saidAs far as I know, the belief is that it's a kind of blend of - as you say - energy, spirit, and life force - perhaps combined with personhood too - although believers would refer to it as a "soul".
What exactly do you suppose is the ‘stuff’ of this supposed non-corporeal afterexistence? Energy? Spirit?(whatever that means), life force?
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@rajk999 saidUnrighteousness and sinning are not the same thing. Peter was righteous, in terms of his salvation, but he was also a sinner in that he lied about knowing Jesus.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV)
Is this better?
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@pianoman1 saidWhat’s wrong with hope?
Divegeester, I respect your belief in the afterlife. I call it feeble-brained because I believe, I may be wrong (probably am), that much of this belief is based upon hope. Hope that there is more to come. Not only hope, but a certain smugness that members of your club will be saved in the afterlife.
@fmf saidIs there free will in the afterlife?
A simple slew of questions for those who believe in the Christian concept of an afterlife.
"Evil" is the result of humans exercising free will, right?
Humans are "evil" by their very nature, yes?
Is there free will in the afterlife?
Are humans still humans in the afterlife?
You can take your pick of answers from Love and Death - 1975:
A. Not in any rational scheme of perception
B. Immorality is subjective.
C. Subjectivity is objective
D. Perception is irrational and implies imminence.
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