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    This video referred to a hypothetical make believe instrument called a Skeptometer. It would be a meter which measures if one is consistent in his skepticism. It reads just to what degree one is skeptical of some theory.

    David Wood argues that some atheists are very skeptical concerning theistic arguments, their skeptometer reads high. But they are not applying an equal degree of skepticism in regards to their own arguments for Atheism. The skeptometer reads low numbers revealing a double standard.

    I think the speaker is funny and demonstrates this kind of inconsistency in dealing with the problem of evil.

    The Problem of Evil and the Skeptic's Dilemma (David Wood)

    I would have like to call it "Is Your Skeptometer Consistent ?" Do you apply skepticism equally ?

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    Any skeptic who watches the entire video, I will respond to by watching a counterpoint video of comparable length.

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    Atheism doesn't make any claims, so there is nothing to be skeptical about, and no possible "argument for atheism" exists.
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    I think this is something we all know to be true

    For example, you listen to a trusted friend more than a stanger. We simply place a higher value on certain sources of information than others due to trust.

    Then one could correlate trust into faith, etc.
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    21 Sep '15 17:001 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Atheism doesn't make any claims, so there is nothing to be skeptical about, and no possible "argument for atheism" exists.
    Do Atheist claim that the universe is not a product of God's work, or one of its own making,
    or some other source or cause?
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    21 Sep '15 17:02
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Atheism doesn't make any claims, so there is nothing to be skeptical about, and no possible "argument for atheism" exists.
    Do Atheist claim right and wrong are purely a human fabrications?
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    21 Sep '15 17:07
    Originally posted by sonship
    This video referred to a hypothetical make believe instrument called a [b]Skeptometer. It would be a meter which measures if one is consistent in his skepticism. It reads just to what degree one is skeptical of some theory.

    David Wood argues that some atheists are very skeptical concerning theistic arguments, their skeptometer reads high. But t ...[text shortened]... t video of comparable length.

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    I am skeptical of point 2 of the argument from evil (at about 17.5 minutes), and I am skeptical of its converse. It seems both unprovable and undisprovable. But I also lack belief in deity. I don't argue against the existence of the omni-being, I merely report on my apparent lack of faith.

    Also, I recognize in myself and others, unequal skepticism. It shows up as confirmation bias; a tendency to pay more attention and give more credence to information that agrees with my position.

    What does this make me?

    Please recognize that there are more kinds of non-theists than just the argumentative kind.
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    21 Sep '15 17:241 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Atheism doesn't make any claims, so there is nothing to be skeptical about, and no possible "argument for atheism" exists.
    Some atheists are calling for such explanations of atheism would go away. IE. "I need not give any defense for my viewpoint."

    The attempt of the atheist to:

    1.) Make no assertions so as have nothing to prove.
    2.) Take comfort that it is impossible to prove a negative - ie. that something doesn't exist.
    3.) A lack of belief isn't a belief, gotcha!
    4.) The rejection of a claim doesn't mean accepting the opposite of it.
    5.) The eetymology of the word is correct by definition - A (without) theos (gods). Without god therefore.

    These are some of the reasons the posture of defining Atheism in so totally defensive terms.

    I think that is so totally a defensive (passive -aggressive) posture which seeks to place all burden upon the theist.

    And for that maneuver there is another little talk.

    Atheism: The Definition That Will Not Die! - William Lane Craig, PhD

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    21 Sep '15 17:30
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Do Atheist claim that the universe is not a product of God's work, or one of its own making,
    or some other source or cause?

    Do Atheist claim right and wrong are purely a human fabrications?
    Atheism does not entail any position on the origins of the Universe, nor on "right and wrong" except to the degree that atheists do not believe specific supernatural beings are involved.
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    21 Sep '15 17:331 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Atheism doesn't make any claims, so there is nothing to be skeptical about, and no possible "argument for atheism" exists.


    Is that which you have written a claim made by Atheism ?

    If so you just shot yourself in the foot.
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    21 Sep '15 17:361 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Atheism does not entail any position on the origins of the Universe, nor on "right and wrong" except to the degree that atheists do not believe specific supernatural beings are involved.
    Atheism does not entail any position on the origins of the Universe, nor on "right and wrong" except to the degree that atheists do not believe specific supernatural beings are involved.


    So Atheists claim no supernatural agents are involved in the origin of the universe ?

    But that is a claim Atheists make. So it is self refuting to say Atheism makes no claims.

    Its like me writing - "I cannot write a word of English."
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    Originally posted by sonship
    Atheism does not entail any position on the origins of the Universe, nor on "right and wrong" except to the degree that atheists do not believe specific supernatural beings are involved.


    So Atheists claim no supernatural agents are involved in the origin of the universe ?

    But that is a claim Atheists make. So it is self refuting to say Atheism makes no claims.

    Its like me writing - "I cannot write a word of English."
    So Atheists claim no supernatural agents are involved in the origin of the universe ?

    No, they don't believe supernatural beings were involved. Some of them might also claim that no supernatural beings were involved.
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    21 Sep '15 17:44
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Do Atheist claim that the universe is not a product of God's work, or one of its own making,
    or some other source or cause?
    As an atheist I can easily answer this. I don't know.
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    21 Sep '15 18:11
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Atheism does not entail any position on the origins of the Universe, nor on "right and wrong" except to the degree that atheists do not believe specific supernatural beings are involved.
    They do not believe specific supernatural beings are involved, I agree and because of that
    they believe they have some knowledge which can exclude them from the discussion. They
    do think they know enough about the topic to exclude some things and seriously think
    others could be part of the proper equation. This "enough knowledge" is something that
    are positive beliefs that they can and do promote.
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    21 Sep '15 18:12
    Originally posted by avalanchethecat
    As an atheist I can easily answer this. I don't know.
    As a Christian I have to say I don't know either, but I do believe in creation I just cannot
    prove it.
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    21 Sep '15 18:31
    Originally posted by sonship
    David Wood argues that some atheists are very skeptical concerning theistic arguments, their skeptometer reads high. But they are not applying an equal degree of skepticism in regards to their own arguments for Atheism. The skeptometer reads low numbers revealing a double standard.
    I have in the past challenged you on various claims where you found something convincing, but when asked whether you would accept the exact same evidence in a different context you were unable to reply in the affirmative.
    You recently posted a video of testimony by a convert to Christianity that you seemed impressed by. Would you be equally impressed by testimony from a convert to Islam? If not, why not?

    Can you give any evidence that I have ever showed skepticism bias in my own arguments as presented on this forum? Or are we only discussing some other atheists that David Wood knows?
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