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Originally posted by PinkFloydIt's not very common that christians do that. 🙂
{me, a Christian, climbing upon the Blarney Stone with a pebble and hurling it toward ti Irish Sea...}
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"Lastly i am not criticising the Islamists for wishing to put to death a person who may or may not have..."
did i say it was right to stone someone? did i say it was right to put anyone to death? I can justify it if you like, but i am a Christian, it belongs to a different epoch of time, we have a new set of laws, if you are unhappy about the practice, then why are you asking me, i did not put the ordinances and prohibitions in place, did I? If i did not ...[text shortened]... m spared their futility.
what you post has to do with the opening post, i cannot readily say.
Originally posted by Zahlanziwel well so now you are able to render judgement upon God, my goodness next you'll be in the running for title of emperor of the universe.
"Lastly i am not criticising the Islamists for wishing to put to death a person who may or may not have..."
this is what you said, yes you are right, you didn't say you condone it 😀 but you don't criticize it. why is that? either you are lazy and you are to tired to bother or you actually agree that some people should be stoned if found guilty. but say ...[text shortened]... olution better. it has ... i don't know, NOT a hypocritical murderous fickle god.
Originally posted by FabianFnasthe bible was written by men, who had human agendas. i do believe at times it was influenced by god. i do believe that the word of god was sometimes padded to suit interests. and i do believe even god didn't actually mean some of the stories.
So we can rule out the OT fom the christian religion. At last. Good to hear.
Then we can assume that hating homosexual acts is obsolete too? And the genesis, and flooding and prophecies and the rest of OT?
Sorry, but I think the christian community want to hold on of OT, even if Jesus says otherwise.
Can I read or cannot I read "eye for an eye, ...[text shortened]... OP has to accuse a religion. Perhaps it would be better to stop accusing religions altogether?
Originally posted by robbie carrobiedidn't you listen? i am not rendering judgement on to god, i am calling some of the guys who wrote the bible liars with their own agendas.
wel well so now you are able to render judgement upon God, my goodness next you'll be in the running for title of emperor of the universe.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe thread title ought to be 'Pakistani justice'. A debate could then ensue as to whether the Pakistani law is consonant with 'Islamic justice' (to be defined), developing into a discussion on the political co-option of religious principles.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11923701
Originally posted by ZahlanziI think you and I agree more than not in this case.
the bible was written by men, who had human agendas. i do believe at times it was influenced by god. i do believe that the word of god was sometimes padded to suit interests. and i do believe even god didn't actually mean some of the stories.
i have examples.
the jewish tribes were shepherds, knowing to count as 1 sheep, 2 sheep, 3 sheep, many sheep, m ...[text shortened]... CAN be a good christian and still think evolution has some merits at the very least.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDidn't claim you were responsible for the actions of ancient people following the laws they believe were set down by your god Robbie; I claim you nod your head and endorse it (or don't care either way - you certainly don't condemn it; nor do you condemn the god that set down these laws) - there is a big difference there.
willing to turn a blind eye as i am, indeed, so now i am responsible for the actions of the ancient Hebrews more that three thousand years ago, is that really what you are saying Agers, if not then why are you making me personally responsible as if I am, simply because it is recorded in the Bible? Simply because i refuse to comment upon them. Indeed ...[text shortened]... aid voluntary work because I wanted to pursue a career and make lots of money? which one is it?
Originally posted by Palynkabecause the law is enshrined in the laws of an entire state, that being the Islamic republic of Pakistan, a government representative of an entire Islamic community, that is why! If it is not representative of Islamic justice, then what is it doing in the statute books of an Islamic state, enforced and enacted upon by Muslims?
So why do you pick and choose these ones as representatives of Islamic justice?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYes, this is good, but as i have explained to Plynkna, as it stands, it is a law, enshrined in the Laws of state. How it came to be there is an entirely different matter, as is the coexistence of religious/political principles.
The thread title ought to be 'Pakistani justice'. A debate could then ensue as to whether the Pakistani law is consonant with 'Islamic justice' (to be defined), developing into a discussion on the political co-option of religious principles.
Originally posted by karoly aczelWell that might be true or might not but pick the lesser of two evils!! Total suppression or chance for thought to flourish? Hanging or a chance for a women to fight?
No, nothing direct like that. Rather they would like to wear women down and make sure they know their places in the grand scheme of things as interpretted by their elders, who, as I understand are inherintly sexist.
Please correct me if I am wrong here Rob, G-75.