Its perfect.

Originally posted by Dasa
There is an atheist in this forum that doesn't believe in God because he cannot understand the existence of a non-flying bird.

Because this world is an illusionary dream and not our true home, there are negative and positive aspects to this temporary material world of duality and suffering.

It there is a bird that flies, then there will be a bird that can ...[text shortened]... of our being and raise our consciousness to Krsna Consciousness and return back home to Godhead.

So a two year old getting cancer is also part of this alleged deity's plan? The children killed by Boko haram is also part of this god's plan?

When they killed children they also killed the next generation from those children so they kill whole lines of families too. This is part of the grand plan? Since this deity knows the movement of every atom in the universe, it also knew Boko Haram was killing those children and did nothing to stop them. Is that a good plan?

Originally posted by Dasa
First of all (this is not the Super Perfect Spiritual world), but the relatively perfect material world of suffering and struggle and old age and disease and finally death.

Perfection in this world is relative to everything else, but ultimately everything is perfect because it exists the way it is suppose to exist.............THEREFORE everything in this wor ...[text shortened]... on the beach.( and it is a perfect and lovely little rock)...........as far as little rocks go.

Well in THAT case, if everything is so perfect, then you must surely agree that the atheist position that your god doesn't exist is also perfect!

Oh and people who eat meat ... they must be perfect too! Indeed, an activity you detest so much is, by your own admission - perfect!

Terrorists? perfect

False science? perfect (since how can the perfect come up with something non-perfect!???)

My response here? perfect!!

Originally posted by Agerg
Well in THAT case, if everything is so perfect, then you must surely agree that the atheist position that your god doesn't exist is also perfect!

Oh and people who eat meat ... they must be perfect too! Indeed, an activity you detest so much is, by your own admission - perfect!

Terrorists? perfect

False science? perfect (since how can the perfect come up with something non-perfect!???)

My response here? perfect!!

It would be fun to see Dasa come back with a Duchess64 'you are showing your dismal reading comprehension' or something of that sort. 😀

Originally posted by sonhouse
So a two year old getting cancer is also part of this alleged deity's plan? The children killed by Boko haram is also part of this god's plan?

When they killed children they also killed the next generation from those children so they kill whole lines of families too. This is part of the grand plan? Since this deity knows the movement of every atom in the ...[text shortened]... so knew Boko Haram was killing those children and did nothing to stop them. Is that a good plan?

Are you saying ............God is responsible for how Boko Haram and Jack the Ripper and Hitler use their free will?

Therefore you must be saying God is responsible when you lust over the young school girl at the check-out.

Every single person on the face of the earth has the choice to live peaceful and tolerantly.

Those who are ignorant and lusty and greedy are choosing violence and oppression...............(Not God).

Why are they lusty and greedy and ignorant?

Because they are denying the reality of God and the instructions in true religion ............and instead are trying to Lord it over the material energy any way they can.

According to the laws of the material energy (goodness passion and ignorance) everyone has their personal karma to deal with, which must be played out in the community and the country.

There are so many criminal actions taking place by each and every person, that when all their individual karma comes back to them, it looks like hell on earth.

Do people really think they can get away with anything?................(they cannot even get away with stealing a postage stamp) because there will be karma for even that.

All the laws on this earth are strict and exact and just and perfect.

The young girl who was raped and murdered ...................was a rapist and murderer herself in a past life, and is getting their own back.

Every person who eats meat will be born a cow, and will be slaughtered at the slaughter house in their next lives.

So you see everything is absolutely perfect, because the laws of this temporary world of suffering and death are working fabulously.

And it is to this end, that if we get sick and tired enough of all the suffering of this world, we can take refuge of true spiritual knowledge, and raise our consciousness to the transcendental spiritual platform "of Love of God" and finally return home................(back to Godhead),...................where there is no such thing as Bokoharam or Jack the Ripper.

Note: Remember, that the material body is not the person, but simply a machine made of material energy, and the soul within is never harmed in any way, and goes on with its journey of suffering through the material cosmos trying to be Lord and Master of all it surveys.

Its all just a fantastic illusion, which can only be stopped by embracing true religion and surrendering to God in love and friendship..

Originally posted by Agerg
Well in THAT case, if everything is so perfect, then you must surely agree that the atheist position that your god doesn't exist is also perfect!

Oh and people who eat meat ... they must be perfect too! Indeed, an activity you detest so much is, by your own admission - perfect!

Terrorists? perfect

False science? perfect (since how can the perfect come up with something non-perfect!???)

My response here? perfect!!

What is perfect is ............(the laws governing us all).

And then of course for the laws to be functioning perfectly, which are then responsible for every single atom in the cosmos to be exactly where it should be (and they all are without fail)

The law of "free will" is also working perfectly because a person even has the free will to blow their own head off (and they do) Hulllo, Curt Cobain.

They have the free will to be an atheist and a meat eater/animal killer and a rapist or a serial murderer or a bogus science teacher etc.etc.etc.

Originally posted by sonhouse
So a two year old getting cancer is also part of this alleged deity's plan? The children killed by Boko haram is also part of this god's plan?

When they killed children they also killed the next generation from those children so they kill whole lines of families too. This is part of the grand plan? Since this deity knows the movement of every atom in the ...[text shortened]... so knew Boko Haram was killing those children and did nothing to stop them. Is that a good plan?

God knows in advance all the choices a man has regarding a problem......... and because God knows every single choice that is possible, doesn't make God responsible for the choice made.

A man may have 677,000 choices regarding a job he wants.

God knows all those choices.................but when the man makes his choice God does not interfere with his free will.

If the man is pious............God may put a gentle thought in his mind, but never lead him one way or the other.

When your consciousness speaks to you in a soft almost inaudible voice...............to stop doing something or to start doing something, then this is your constant spiritual companion that looks out for you.

This companion is you spiritual guide.(or Super-soul the Paramatma)

Those who are too engrossed into the carnal pleasures of intoxication and womanizing and gambling and meat eating, almost cannot hear anything from this companion.

Originally posted by Dasa
Are you saying ............God is responsible for how Boko Haram and Jack the Ripper and Hitler use their free will?

Therefore you must be saying God is responsible when you lust over the young school girl at the check-out.

Every single person on the face of the earth has the choice to live peaceful and tolerantly.

Those who are ignorant and lusty and ...[text shortened]... can only be stopped by embracing true religion and surrendering to God in love and friendship..

so since I eat meat, will I be born a cow and Hindu people will worship me?

Originally posted by RJHinds
so since I eat meat, will I be born a cow and Hindu people will worship me?

Actually the meat you eat is probably mostly horse, so you might find yourself running the Grand National. (Or being sat on by Zara Phillips).

Originally posted by RJHinds
so since I eat meat, will I be born a cow and Hindus worship me?

You will be born a cow in Texas USA and be a beef steer.

Only special persons are cows in India.

Did you know there are thousands of slaughter houses in India.(many operated by Muslims and Christians.) and a larger portion of the country eat meat now.

Originally posted by Dasa
You will be born a cow in Texas USA and be a beef steer.

Only special persons are cows in India.

Did you know there are thousands of slaughter houses in India.(many operated by Muslims and Christians.) and a larger portion of the country eat meat now.

No, that is news to me.

However, after the worldwide flood, God allowed meat eating too. So it is no longer a sin.

Originally posted by RJHinds
No, that is news to me.

However, after the worldwide flood, God allowed meat eating too. So it is no longer a sin.

That,s like saying......................after W.W.II. that God allowed abortion because there was an increase of sexual intercourse.

It,s nonsense.

Originally posted by Dasa
That,s like saying......................after W.W.II. that God allowed abortion because there was an increase of sexual intercourse.

It,s nonsense.

No it is not like that because God has never approved of abortion in the Holy Bible. However, eating of meat has been aproved by God in the Holy Bible. And the Holy Bible trumps your Vedas. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds

And the Holy Bible trumps your Vedas. 😏

And common sense trumps both.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Actually the meat you eat is probably mostly horse, so you might find yourself running the Grand National. (Or being sat on by Zara Phillips).

Things could be worse.

Originally posted by redbadger
Things could be worse.

Hey Badger. Thought perhaps you had become rabid and bit somebody you shouldn't.