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    Jeremiah 10New International Version (NIV)

    God and Idols

    1Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel.
    2 This is what the Lord says:

    “Do not learn the ways of the nations
    or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
    though the nations are terrified by them.
    3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
    they cut a tree out of the forest,
    and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
    4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
    they fasten it with hammer and nails
    so it will not totter.
    5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
    their idols cannot speak;
    they must be carried
    because they cannot walk.
    Do not fear them;
    they can do no harm
    nor can they do any good.”

    Happy heathen seasonal festival 🙂
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    Happy Christmas one and all!

    The wife and I are enjoying a seasonal festive day of wine, food and good company 🙂

    I sincerely hope you are too...
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    25 Dec '17 16:06
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Happy Christmas one and all!

    The wife and I are enjoying a seasonal festive day of wine, food and good company 🙂

    I sincerely hope you are too...
    Merry Christmas, no wine but brown ale instead.
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    25 Dec '17 16:13
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Merry Christmas, no wine but brown ale instead.
    Brown ale eh, a different choice but everyone to their own taste.

    Happy Christmas
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    25 Dec '17 16:191 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Brown ale eh, a different choice but everyone to their own taste.

    Happy Christmas
    Correction it’s dry stout. Thanks to my Irish friends there is no looking back now.
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    Do any Christians here celebrate Christmas as a “real” religious festival?
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    26 Dec '17 13:44
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Do any Christians here celebrate Christmas as a “real” religious festival?
    I go to Christmas mass and I meditate on what Christians believe about Jesus [i.e. what I used to believe too]. I wouldn't call that 'celebrating', but it does involve me perceiving it as a "real religious festival".
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    26 Dec '17 14:09
    Originally posted by @fmf
    I go to Christmas mass and I meditate on what Christians believe about Jesus [i.e. what I used to believe too]. I wouldn't call that 'celebrating', but it does involve me perceiving it as a "real religious festival".
    Yes it is certainly real to committed catholics and I can see how the festival could have efficacy in focusing the mind on Christian values (such as they are) for anyone who sees the good that is in the religion. I’m also wondering how any of the more evangelical Christians here perceive Christmas.
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    27 Dec '17 09:32
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Do any Christians here celebrate Christmas as a “real” religious festival?
    I do not. Based on the story of Jesus' birth, he was not born in winter.

    Modern liberal ideology dictates that this is not the christmas season, but the holiday season.

    We must also include Kwanzaa as well as Festivus.
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    29 Dec '17 10:39
    Originally posted by @eladar
    I do not. Based on the story of Jesus' birth, he was not born in winter.

    Modern liberal ideology dictates that this is not the christmas season, but the holiday season.

    We must also include Kwanzaa as well as Festivus.
    Please stop bloviating your opinions of what liberals think. You nearly always get it wrong, just as whodey does. It's actually nearly the same as what conservatives think, only minus the self-serving arrogance and hypocrisy and hate and lies.
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    29 Dec '17 10:47
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Yes it is certainly real to committed catholics and I can see how the festival could have efficacy in focusing the mind on Christian values (such as they are) for anyone who sees the good that is in the religion. I’m also wondering how any of the more evangelical Christians here perceive Christmas.
    My overwhelming feeling about Christmas is that Jesus' birth is completely downplayed in scripture, especially when compared to the importance of his death and resurrection. And that this is obviously purposeful and meaningful. We've allowed it to be blown up out of all proportion to its significance so that we might use God to fill our pockets with gold. We, as a society, have bastardized his birth into just another way to make money, and we are no better than the moneychangers.
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    29 Dec '17 11:04
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    My overwhelming feeling about Christmas is that Jesus' birth is completely downplayed in scripture, especially when compared to the importance of his death and resurrection. And that this is obviously purposeful and meaningful. We've allowed it to be blown up out of all proportion to its significance so that we might use God to fill our pockets with gold ...[text shortened]... ized his birth into just another way to make money, and we are no better than the moneychangers.
    I think the generally society these days doesn’t give Jesus much of a thought at Christmas. No matter what date the actual birth was I don’t think it matters at all, it’s just corporate religion making traditions and festivals to keep the sheeple entranced.
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    29 Dec '17 11:12
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    My overwhelming feeling about Christmas is that Jesus' birth is completely downplayed in scripture, especially when compared to the importance of his death and resurrection. And that this is obviously purposeful and meaningful. We've allowed it to be blown up out of all proportion to its significance so that we might use God to fill our pockets with gold ...[text shortened]... ized his birth into just another way to make money, and we are no better than the moneychangers.
    Downplayed?

    Surely the birth of Jesus was a massively significant event in scripture, so much so, it was even foretold by preceding prophets?

     Colossians 1:15–16 even looks upon his birth as the model for all creation:

    'He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.'
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    Originally posted by @fmf
    I go to Christmas mass and I meditate on what Christians believe about Jesus [i.e. what I used to believe too]. I wouldn't call that 'celebrating', but it does involve me perceiving it as a "real religious festival".
    Interesting.

    On Christmas I meditate on what Marx and Darwin had to say regarding the virtues of atheism.

    Naturally, I don't believe either.

    Atheists really should have a holiday to celebrate skepticism and cynicism and eventual mortal death for all eternity. 😛
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    29 Dec '17 21:24
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Interesting.

    On Christmas I meditate on what Marx and Darwin had to say regarding the virtues of atheism.

    Naturally, I don't believe either.

    Atheists really should have a holiday to celebrate skepticism and cynicism and eventual mortal death for all eternity. 😛
    They have Kwanzaa.
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