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    18 Apr '06 01:36
    Jesus's call to 'love your neighbour as you love yourself' was a radical notion for the self absorbed and racist amongst the Jews of 2000 years ago. And it seems that it still might be.
    Has the hard line of the right in the US, where the message seems to be intead 'the righteous Christian is the one who helps themselves and doesn't rely on others', completely lost sight of Jesus's notion of radical social responsibility and humility?
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    18 Apr '06 01:43
    Bill McKibben wrote a piece in a local paper here on the weekend about this issue:

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/books/the-christian-paradox/2006/04/13/1144521447730.html
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    18 Apr '06 01:53
    Originally posted by amannion
    Jesus's call to 'love your neighbour as you love yourself' was a radical notion for the self absorbed and racist amongst the Jews of 2000 years ago. And it seems that it still might be.
    Has the hard line of the right in the US, where the message seems to be intead 'the righteous Christian is the one who helps themselves and doesn't rely on others', completely lost sight of Jesus's notion of radical social responsibility and humility?
    Jesus was a commie!
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    18 Apr '06 01:54
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    Jesus was a commie!
    It sounds that way doesn't it.
    Wonder how the right rationalise that one?
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    18 Apr '06 02:15
    Originally posted by amannion
    It sounds that way doesn't it.
    Wonder how the right rationalise that one?
    I'm sure in a KellyJay fashion they'll realise that joining those dots is completely meaningless and will simply recoil in surprise at every statement!
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    19 Apr '06 15:04
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    I'm sure in a KellyJay fashion they'll realise that joining those dots is completely meaningless and will simply recoil in surprise at every statement!
    I'm in agreement with most of what I read, people don't live what
    they claim they believe sometimes. Many think just believing in
    a god and a guy named Jesus is enough to make you Christian.
    The notion that God actually requires us to live certain ways goes
    against the "freedom" of choice therefore cannot be good, in many
    people's eyes. Jesus spoke about this too, that many called him
    Lord, but didn't obey Him. It is easy to take the label, walking it
    out requires a reality that goes much deeper than mouthing all the
    right words.
    Kelly
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    21 Apr '06 16:53
    Originally posted by amannion
    Jesus's call to 'love your neighbour as you love yourself' was a radical notion for the self absorbed and racist amongst the Jews of 2000 years ago. And it seems that it still might be.
    Has the hard line of the right in the US, where the message seems to be intead 'the righteous Christian is the one who helps themselves and doesn't rely on others', completely lost sight of Jesus's notion of radical social responsibility and humility?
    How about Jesus's Call is to tough for non-Christian to accept and change their ways of living.
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    21 Apr '06 17:01
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    How about Jesus's Call is to tough for non-Christian to accept and change their ways of living.
    because every christian lives by this code? i think not.
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    23 Apr '06 07:18
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    How about Jesus's Call is to tough for non-Christian to accept and change their ways of living.
    The thing is Jesus's call to me is common sense, and doesn't really require that one be a Christian to support it. Now do I live it?
    No way.
    But I try. And I try to bring my kids up that way.
    And I'm an atheist.

    Go figure ...
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    23 Apr '06 08:11
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    How about Jesus's Call is to tough for non-Christian to accept and change their ways of living.
    I think Jesus' call is to tough on believers too! Without the grace
    and mercy God gives, no one makes it.
    Kelly
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    23 Apr '06 08:12
    Originally posted by amannion
    The thing is Jesus's call to me is common sense, and doesn't really require that one be a Christian to support it. Now do I live it?
    No way.
    But I try. And I try to bring my kids up that way.
    And I'm an atheist.

    Go figure ...
    Cost- benefit analysis. We use it in evolution models and social ones too. On a model of cost- benefit anayslis Jesus' call seems like a good one. Richard Dawkins said the same thing in "the selfish gene". Cool, Dawkins is now God.
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    23 Apr '06 08:14
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    Cost- benefit analysis. We use it in evolution models and social ones too. On a model of cost- benefit anayslis Jesus' call seems like a good one. Richard Dawkins said the same thing in "the selfish gene". Cool, Dawkins is now God.
    No No No dawkins is the messiah, Nietzsche is god 😉
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    23 Apr '06 08:16
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    No No No dawkins is the messiah, Nietzsche is god 😉
    God is dead.
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