Originally posted by whodey If we have the right to elect our leaders, then the state is providing us this right. It is just as lawful to vote as it is to pay your taxes. In short, if they provide us the means to oust the likes of people like Caligula, then do we not have the moral obligation to do so?
"If we have the right to elect our leaders, then the state is providing us this right."
Not true. The state does not bestow rights. We the people elect representatives who are sworn to uphold the constitution which states that we have inalienable rights.
Originally posted by josephw I would still like to know why you believe as a Christian you shouldn't vote.
I think the JW position is that the world political system is "satanic", thus they should not defile themselves by voting and participating in it. At the same time, however, there are politicies that this "satanic" world system employs, such as Obamacare, that is "good".
its late guys, if i can be excused at present i can discuss these things in the morrow, suffice to say, that i have always felt, even prior to become a Christian, the utter futility of politics, 'here comes the new boss, same as the old boss'
Originally posted by whodey I'm not too interested in individual "sins", rather, I'm most interested in policies that negatively effect society. We could go on and on about each others short comings, so what is the point?
I think the point is that if those who are elected turn out to be liars it has a direct effect on the kinds of policies that undermine the constitution.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie its late guys, if i can be excused at present i can discuss these things in the morrow, suffice to say, that i have always felt, even prior to become a Christian, the utter futility of politics, 'here comes the new boss, same as the old boss'
But politics is present in every aspect of human interaction whether it be at school or at work, or at church etc. I suppose there is room for arguement over the futility of anything man attempts devoid of the inspiration of God. 😉
Originally posted by robbie carrobie its late guys, if i can be excused at present i can discuss these things in the morrow, suffice to say, that i have always felt, even prior to become a Christian, the utter futility of politics, 'here comes the new boss, same as the old boss'
Maybe you shouldn't get your guidance from The Who.
Originally posted by whodey I think the JW position is that the world political system is "satanic", thus they should not defile themselves by voting and participating in it. At the same time, however, there are politicies that this "satanic" world system employs, such as Obamacare, that is "good".
its not quite true, for we are counselled to honour the office, regardless of individuals, pay taxes etc, Its more to do with showing allegiance to Gods government as the King James version renders it, in others words Gods Kingdom. i will need to look it up, the official policy, i cannot honestly say at present, man i am wasted, but i really would like to understand your perspectives, especially from a scriptural point of view.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie man i am wasted, but i really would like to understand your perspectives, especially from a scriptural point of view.[/b]
Its pretty simple really. I am in favor of limited government, just as they had in Israel before the people demanded a king. They had no king nor government body, only judges to sort out the disputes among the people. Freedom is inate and when it is violated in any way we instinctively recoil just as one of our former patriots once uttered, "Give me liberty or give me death". If God does not impose himself on us then who are we to impose ourselves on others? Of course, this changes when we violate the freedoms of others, but how the redistribution of wealth has anything to do with violating the freedoms of others is beyond me. In fact, to redistribute wealth via the government mandates the violation of such freedoms. Soon people will be fined for not even having health insurance if they choose to do so for whatever reason. It will be challenged Constitutionally and probably disregarded, but know it is in violation of the ideas of a limited government invisioned by our Founding Fathers and a direct violation of the Constitution which our so called represetatives are called to uphold.
Why hasn't Rwingett responded to my thread yet? After all, I thought he proports to believe much of what Jim Wallace believes other than the fact he does not believe that there is a God.
Originally posted by whodey Why hasn't Rwingett responded to my thread yet? After all, I thought he proports to believe much of what Jim Wallace believes other than the fact he does not believe that there is a God.
Jim Wallace
24 Mar '10 00:13
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