John 3:16 (belief)

@kellyjay said
Do they have to put their faith into Him, do they have to believe in Him?
Do they have to have God's Spirit in them?
What about the scriptures that say not by works are we saved?

Rajk seems to be rejecting "belief" as laid out in John 3:16, choosing instead to have other verses "overrule" it.

@thinkofone said
Since you evidently didn't understand my post, I'll explain it to you.

Following is what I posted:
[quote]The problem is that the gospel in which you believe is NOT in "complete harmony" with the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.

For example, the concept that no one is able to make themselves righteous is NOT part of the gospel preached by Jesus w ...[text shortened]... ed by Jesus when He walked the Earth where He says that no one is able to make themselves righteous?

You really need to learn the distinction between someone not understanding what you said and actually rejecting what you said.

@rajk999 said
Nah , been there done that.

LOL, you and ToO are two peas in a pod.
Good at declaring faults, just cannot defend your stance.

@kellyjay said
LOL, you and ToO are two peas in a pod.
Good at declaring faults, just cannot defend your stance.

I have answered your questions, the very same ones dozens of times over the years. I think you have short term memory or Alzheimers or some other defect. You seem to want to discuss these things as if it is the first time we are doing so.

Your church arguments are nonsense. Go see a doctor and get some help.

@rajk999 said
Those who do good works are in fact abiding in Christ.
For you abiding in Christ means professing belief with the mouth.
My interpretation is that living according to Christ commandments is abiding in Christ.

You promote belief in the form of mouth worship
I promote belief in the form of following and keeping commandments as Jesus explained many times. Here is one of m ...[text shortened]... n my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (John 15:10 KJV)[/i]

You. You. You.

@rajk999 said
Let Jesus decide that.

Sounds like you've already decided for Jesus.

@suzianne said
You. You. You.

Sounds like you've already decided for Jesus.

Do you ever have anything of substance to add to any discussion? You are the kind of woman that led Paul to say that women should shut up when men are discussing bible matters. Go do some laundry instead of annoying people.

@chaney3 said
Rajk seems to be rejecting "belief" as laid out in John 3:16, choosing instead to have other verses "overrule" it.

The thing is, good works are the end result, not the means to entrance into God's Kingdom. We are sinners, a fallen race, not a race of good guys and bad guys, but a race where all of us share the same nature where we can all do good and bad, we can be generous and selfish.

Salvation, the gospel is that Jesus came to save sinners, he came fix the broken. To be born again is inviting God in so He can fix us, and that is the start not the end result. The fruit of God within is a change in us, that God produces not that we can earn it, not that we can through human effort become good enough, it is the salvation of God, not man, to be born again.

Acts 28:28
Therefore let it be known to you that this salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles; they will listen.”

@kellyjay said
The thing is, good works are the end result, not the means to entrance into God's Kingdom. We are sinners, a fallen race, not a race of good guys and bad guys, but a race where all of us share the same nature where we can all do good and bad, we can be generous and selfish.

Salvation, the gospel is that Jesus came to save sinners, he came fix the broken. To be born again ...[text shortened]... let it be known to you that this salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles; they will listen.”

But....."belief" is required.

Right?

@rajk999 said
Is that the only passage you know?
Read Romans 2 and Matt 25

Can you show scripture that says anyone who rejects Jesus, rejects God will not be rejected?

@kellyjay said
Can you show scripture that says anyone who rejects Jesus, rejects God will not be rejected?

I have addressed this question already. Are you going to get some professional help for your memory?

Those who see the poor and needy and pass them by [just one of many examples of good works Jesus gave], it is those who are rejecting Jesus. These types of people regardless of mouth professions of faith will not enter the Kingdom of God.

@chaney3 said
But....."belief" is required.

Right?

Jesus says we need to put our faith in Him, without faith it is impossible to please God. Where they are correct is good works will follow! Belief and faith is essential correct!

@rajk999 said
I have addressed this question already. Are you going to get some professional help for your memory?

Those who see the poor and needy and pass them by [just one of many examples of good works Jesus gave], it is those who are rejecting Jesus. These types of people regardless of mouth professions of faith will not enter the Kingdom of God.

Atheists reject Jesus, even if that means they don't "believe".

Yes, I am focusing on the importance of believing in God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. It appears that "belief" must come first, before the "works" debate can even begin.

@chaney3 said
Atheists reject Jesus, even if that means they don't "believe".

Yes, I am focusing on the importance of believing in God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. It appears that "belief" must come first, before the "works" debate can even begin.

Yes, I know of your focus on mouth worship. I focus on good works and righteousness the way Jesus did.

Anyone who sees Jesus poor, hungry, needy, sick etc etc and refuses to help rejects Jesus.

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. (Matthew 25:44-45 KJV)

@rajk999 said
Yes, I know of your focus on mouth worship. I focus on good works and righteousness the way Jesus did.

Anyone who sees Jesus poor, hungry, needy, sick etc etc and refuses to help rejects Jesus.

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then ...[text shortened]... smuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. (Matthew 25:44-45 KJV)

Incorrect.

Your attempt to avoid the "belief" issue by throwing in your term..mouth worship..will not work anymore.

@rajk999 said
I have addressed this question already. Are you going to get some professional help for your memory?

Those who see the poor and needy and pass them by [just one of many examples of good works Jesus gave], it is those who are rejecting Jesus. These types of people regardless of mouth professions of faith will not enter the Kingdom of God.

I care as much about a pure mouth profession only as you do, it is meaningless. I also think religious work can be meaningless as well, and there are more than likely many people who think they are doing 'good works' by doing their religious duty, but are not in Christ, and Christ in them. So their works will be good, but the words they will hearing are going to be, "Depart from me, I never knew you." Without God in them, and they in God, that is exactly what everyone else will hear too relying on anything but God's salvation.