1. Standard memberSeitse
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    03 May '15 21:35
    Live with it.
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    03 May '15 22:15
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Live with it.
    Does that make Western spiritualiy illigitimate? 😛
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    03 May '15 22:20
    Originally posted by whodey
    Does that make Western spiritualiy illigitimate? 😛
    It makes it our spiritual duty to defend the cradle of Judaism.
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    04 May '15 01:43
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Live with it.
    Please explain.
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    04 May '15 03:15
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Live with it.
    Yes it has............

    Judaism and Christianity and Islam ..............share scripture and thus falsity as well.

    They are the worlds largest false religions.

    And saying (I believe in God) simply makes the people theists and nothing else.

    Therefore after the person declares his theism ...................he/she has to research the knowledge of the world in search of the truth of God and self.

    False religion will simply fill a persons mind with false knowledge and he will not benefit from spirituality but instead be filled with superstition and false beliefs.

    His religion of choice has probably been handed down to him by his family and peers and he has not researched anything.............(and thus the sins of the father are passed down one generation after the next.)

    What does it mean to research after the truth of God and self?...................It means that if the truth of God and his existence are out there and have been put down into the written word / then it is his solemn duty to find it and he must not be deceived on his journey by false prophets and teachers............thus a heart full of sincerity and honesty will prevent this.
  6. Standard memberSeitse
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    04 May '15 05:25
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Yes it has............

    Judaism and Christianity and Islam ..............share scripture and thus falsity as well.

    They are the worlds largest false religions.

    And saying (I believe in God) simply makes the people theists and nothing else.

    Therefore after the person declares his theism ...................he/she has to research the knowledge of the w ...[text shortened]... e prophets and teachers............thus a heart full of sincerity and honesty will prevent this.
    You do know that atheism is sooooo 5 years ago, right?
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    04 May '15 05:261 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Yes it has............

    Judaism and Christianity and Islam ..............share scripture and thus falsity as well.

    They are the worlds largest false religions.

    And saying (I believe in God) simply makes the people theists and nothing else.

    Therefore after the person declares his theism ...................he/she has to research the knowledge of the w ...[text shortened]... e prophets and teachers............thus a heart full of sincerity and honesty will prevent this.
    YOU ARE DELUDED.
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    04 May '15 08:41
    For a history of suicidal religious fanaticism and violence fuelled by sectarian bigotry, look no further folks than the first Jewish War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War

    leading to the eventual siege of Masada

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada

    Others, however, see it as a case of Jewish radicals refusing to compromise, resorting instead to suicide and the murder of their families, both prohibited by Rabbinic Judaism. Researchers are questioning the findings of Yigael Yadin, the Israeli archaeologist who first excavated Masada. Masada was once a place of celebration for Israelis, but now "Israelis [have] become less comfortable with glorifying mass suicide and identifying with religious fanatics",[21] Other archaeologists have reviewed Yadin's findings and have found some discrepancies. During Yadin's excavations, he found three bodies that he claimed were Jewish Zealots. Anthropologist Joe Zias and forensic expert Azriel Gorski claim that the bodies were actually three Romans taken hostage by the Jewish Zealots. If this is true, "Israel might have mistakenly bestowed the honour [of recognition as Jewish heroes and a state burial] on three Romans".[21] There is also some discussion of Masada's defenders, and whether they were "the heroic hard core of the great Jewish revolt against Rome, or a gang of killers who became victims of a last Roman mopping-up operation".


    There were of course a Second and a Third Jewish War.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars

    Welcome back to the Mediterranean region, where religious war is always to be seen at its worst.

    In the early 1990s, when Fund was born, Orthodox men accounted for 2.5 percent of graduates of infantry officer training courses; since then, it’s grown to more than 25 percent, according to a 2013 book. In some combat units, they make up as much as 50 percent of new officers – roughly quadruple their share of Israel’s population. The upward trend, coupled with a parallel decline in the number of combat soldiers and officers coming from secular families, is dramatically changing the face of the IDF.

    Many Israelis respect religious Zionists like Fund – Orthodox Jews who see the state as playing a part in the prophesied redemption of Israel ­– for their willingness to defend the nation.

    But some worry that their worldview could change the character not only of the army – traditionally a secular “people’s army,” where youngsters of all stripes forged lasting bonds during their mandatory two- to three-year service – but the state of Israel itself. One of the most cited concerns is that if Israel agreed to a peace deal with Palestinians, the outsized influence of religious soldiers could complicate the IDF’s evacuation of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2015/0417/In-Israel-s-army-more-officers-are-now-religious.-What-that-means
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    04 May '15 08:48
    Rabbis in the Israeli army told battlefield troops in January's Gaza offensive that they were fighting a 'religious war' against gentiles, it has been revealed.
    An army commander wrote of the shocking command in an Israeli newspaper today - one day after it emerged that Israeli soldiers were told they could kill innocent civilians during the war.
    'Their message was very clear: we are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land,' the commander said.
    ...
    But the rabbinate's message imparted to many soldiers the sense that "this operation was a religious war".
    A squad commander from Ram's Givat Brigade, named as Aviv, recounted his misgivings about orders to break down doors with armoured vehicles and shoot anyone inside, floor by floor.
    In the event, the order was amended to include 'operating megaphones' so advancing troops could tell people they had five minutes to get out or be killed.
    Aviv said 'there was a very annoying moment' when he briefed his men and one challenged that order, saying: 'Yeah? Anyone who is in there is a terrorist, that's a known fact.
    'And then his buddies join in: "We need to murder any person who's in there, yeah, any person who's in Gaza is a terrorist' and all the other things that they stuff our heads with, in the media,' Aviv said.

    The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) has put the Palestinian death toll during the war at 1,417 - 926 civilians, 236 fighters and 255 police officers. Israeli officials have disputed those figures. Thirteen Israelis were killed....
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1163508/You-fighting-religious-war-gentiles-What-rabbis-told-Israeli-soldiers-Gaza-war.html
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    04 May '15 09:051 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    For a history of suicidal religious fanaticism and violence fuelled by sectarian bigotry, look no further folks than the first Jewish War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War

    leading to the eventual siege of Masada

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada

    [quote]Others, however, see it as a case of Jewish radicals re ...[text shortened]... om/World/Middle-East/2015/0417/In-Israel-s-army-more-officers-are-now-religious.-What-that-means
    One of our articles make references to this.

    In first-century Judaea, a violent group called the Zealots pushed for Jewish independence from Rome. Some of their most ardent adherents became known as Sicarii, or dagger men, a name that comes from the short swords they hid under their garments. Mingling in Jerusalem’s festival crowds, the Sicarii slit the throats of their enemies or stabbed them in the back. *

    In 66 C.E., a group of Zealots seized the fortress of Masada near the Dead Sea. They butchered the Roman garrison and made the mountaintop fastness their base of operations. For years they sortied from there and harassed the imperial authorities. In 73 C.E., the Roman Tenth Legion led by Governor Flavius Silva retook Masada, but they did not conquer the Zealots. A contemporary historian claims that rather than give in to Rome, 960 of them—everyone up there except for two women and five children—committed suicide.

    Some view the Zealot revolt as the start of terrorism as we know it. True or not, since then terrorism has left deep tracks in history’s path.

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g200606/history-written-in-blood/
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    From the same article.

    Terrorism With Roots in Christendom

    Beginning in 1095 and continuing for two centuries, crusader armies repeatedly crossed between Europe and the Middle East. Opposing them were Muslim forces from Asia and North Africa. The issue was control of Jerusalem, and each side tried to gain the advantage. In their many battles, those “holy warriors” hacked one another to pieces. They also used their swords and battle-axes on mere bystanders. William of Tyre, a 12th-century clergyman, described the crusaders’ entry into Jerusalem in the year 1099:

    “They went together through the streets with their swords and spears in hand. All them that they met they slew and smote right down, men, women, and children, sparing none. . . . They slew so many in the streets that there were heaps of dead bodies, and one might not go nor pass but upon them that so lay dead. . . . There was so much blood shed that the channels and gutters ran all with blood, and all the streets of the town were covered with dead men.” *

    In later centuries terrorists began using explosives and firearms with gruesome, fatal results.
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    Every time Jews are mentioned, the ugly head of finnegan appears with
    his cherry picking of Jew smearing bits.

    If this is not Jew hatred, I don't know what it is.
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    04 May '15 09:151 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    It makes it our spiritual duty to defend the cradle of Judaism.
    You conflate religious duty with secular ideology in a way that your own orthodox Jewish community disputes (violently, of course!).

    https://news.vice.com/video/israels-other-religious-war-the-ultra-orthodox-vs-the-idf

    Key quote: "We do not confuse Israelis for Israelites." Of course the reason for exempting the ultra orthodox from conscription was that they opposed zionism from its outset as a totally spurious and flawed use of the Jewish faith and they were offered a compromise deal.

    Curious video by the way - rare for me to post video links. If this is the cradle of Western spirituality, Judaism has itself evolved into far more attractive forms over time. Shame to see fundamentalism driving humanity backwards in this context as in others. But the conflict between "true" religion and secular nationalist ideology could not be more plain.
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    04 May '15 14:19
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Every time Jews are mentioned, the ugly head of finnegan appears with
    his cherry picking of Jew smearing bits.

    If this is not Jew hatred, I don't know what it is.
    Along with his little hand-puppet robbie, who is all too eager to attack his Christian brothers.
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    04 May '15 14:43
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Along with his little hand-puppet robbie, who is all too eager to attack his Christian brothers.
    Do you worry about the attacks on Christians in Israel, where many "Palestinians" are, of course, Christians and many zionist extremists conflate all Christians as Palestinians? There is no need for "cherry picking" to find examples of reports about this pattern of behaviour. The examples are numerous and upsetting to read.
    Thousands of Nazarenes rushed to the Basilica of the Annunciation in the early evening of Friday March 3, as rumours swept the city that their church was under attack. Built over the grotto where the archangel Gabriel is supposed to have revealed to Mary that she was bearing the son of God, the Basilica is one of Christianity’s holiest sites. As local people streamed into the church’s walled-off courtyard, they learnt that three intruders had detonated a series of small explosions inside the building at 5.30pm, during a special ceremony for Lent.

    For several minutes the congregation huddled together in fear of their lives before a priest and several churchgoers managed to overpower a grey-bearded man in jeans, 44-year-old Haim Habibi, an Israeli Jew accompanied by his wife, Violet, and the couple’s 20-year-old daughter Odelia...
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/photostory-israeli-extremists-attack-nazareths-most-famous-christian-church-goes-virtually

    Christians in Israel and Palestine fear rise in violence ahead of pope's visit
    Concerns raised about spate of vandalism by hardline Jewish nationalists in Jerusalem churches and attacks in Galilee.....
    In a statement earlier this week the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem said that Christians in Israel felt neither safe nor protected and called on the government to take action against rightwing Jewish extremists.

    Acts of vandalism and violence against Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank are known as "price-tagging", a campaign of intimidation that extremists claim is the price Palestinians should pay for Israeli government crackdowns or restrictions on settlement activity.

    In recent days senior politicians in Israel, including the justice minister, Tzipi Livni, and the internal security minister, Yitkhak Aharonovich, have argued that rightwing groups carrying out such attacks should be classified as terrorists. Their stance follows extremist attacks on Israeli soldiers bin the radical settlement of Yitzhar.

    Recent attacks, however, have specifically targetted Christians and have taken place in the heart of the Old City.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/09/christians-israel-palestine-rise-violence-pope-visit

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.644285

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/may-web-only/price-tag-israeli-extremists-target-christians.html

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/church-defaced-in-jerusalem-in-suspected-price-tag-attack/
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