Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhat are you on?
[b]science works, and it's the bedrock of our society.
Actually, you are wrong. Faith is the bedrock of Western society. Science is the mistress, and an unfaithful one, at that.[/b]
Food production - science.
Air Quality - Science.
The gasoline in your truck - science.
The medicines in your cupboard - science.
The computer you're writing on - science.
All of it - all based on the back of science. From the juice you drink to the water that comes out of your taps - science underpins it all.
Originally posted by KellyJayI am more than happy to admit that the chances of life evolving from non-life are very very small. Fortunately, with statistics every possibility not only can happen but will happen given enough time and space - of which we've had plenty of both. Unfortunately for you there is only 1 universe, and the chances of god existing in any one universe are just as small as life evolving from non-life. I'm happy for god to exist in a couple of universes provided that we have millions of universes created every minute for thousands and millions of years, in the same way that the conditions for life would have been created thousands and millions of times over those same time scales.
Yes, they have a clue and statistics matter a great deal, or not at all
if they are not taking everything that needs to be into account. Saying
there is less than a 5% chance is quite a statement if we were to take
that an apply it to life from non-life, which you have not done. If one
were to say they could figure out the odds, we would have to ask the ...[text shortened]... would look like under both sets of
conditions? Where did you pull those numbers out of?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayA person's perception of a fact may be coloured by opinion, so much so that the fact is ignored.
A fact may be colored by opinion, but facts remain what they are
in spite of opinion. What people believe to be true or false will
simply be what they believe. What people put their faith in to
color their world, will simply be what they put their faith in to, to
color their world. By color their world, I mean how they think it
is, how they dress it up in their mind, be it very old, or young
and so on.
Kelly
I think this is why ID and Creationism are not to be studied in a science class, because they are opinion based, ie they assume their outcomes rather than letting observed evidence decide.
ID and Creationism aren't science.
Originally posted by scottishinnzHumans who established what we call Western civilzation for, and because of, their faith.
Sorry, but all these things that you are quoting are written by humans, and religious ones at that. Not exactly the most unbiased of opinions...
When Columbus went forth trying to find a quicker route to supplies, his charter was to lay claim in the name of Spain for the glory of God.
The impetus in a majority of advances within Western civilization is for the glory of God. You may not agree with trying to glorify God, but you cannot change facts.
Originally posted by scottishinnzWhat are you on?
By faith, I sit on my chair.
Food production - science.
Food itself - God.
Air Quality - Science.
Air itself, lungs to process it - God.
The gasoline in your truck - science.
Methane - God.
The medicines in your cupboard - science.
The chemicals from which those meds are derived - God.
The computer you're writing on - science.
I've got Windows 98, so this one's from hell.
science underpins it all.
Science is nothing more than observing another of God's attributes: faithfulness.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou said his charter was to "lay claim in the name of Spain for the glory of God." Can the two concepts of "claim in the name of Spain" and "glory of God" be in conflict?
Humans who established what we call Western civilzation for, and because of, their faith.
When Columbus went forth trying to find a quicker route to supplies, his charter was to lay claim in the name of Spain for the glory of God.
The impetus in a majority of advances within Western civilization is for the glory of God. You may not agree with trying to glorify God, but you cannot change facts.
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Originally posted by kirksey957Can the two concepts of "claim in the name of Spain" and "glory of God" be in conflict?
Well, when you consider the events surrounding that particular three-hour cruise, there can be no doubt it was Spain's swan song.
However, more injustice has been done in attempts to eradicate God from the scene, or in the name of truth, than anything ever done in the name of Christ, which did not glorify Him.
However, more injustice has been done in attempts to eradicate God from the scene, or in the name of truth, than anything ever done in the name of Christ, which did not glorify Him.
Absolute ridiculousness. Most of the violence done to xians in history has been done "in the name of Christ." Stop with the xian martyr complex; it's a load of crap.
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Originally posted by telerionMost of the violence done to xians in history has been done "in the name of Christ."
Apparently, you have insights the walking-upright-world lacks. Joe Stalin was actually a Mormon, right? And his pograms were actually conscription drives, right? What was it, something like 25 million people refused Mormonism there in Russia?
How about those fun-loving Middle Easterners, piting Jehovah's Witness versus the Quakers in a wacky day-to-day mosh pit?
Who could forget Adolf "Pull My Finger" Hitler, and his six or so million "conversion failures?"
Shall we continue, or are you going to pull the Inquisitions out of the derrier you sit on instead of actually researching?
it's a load of crap.
Amen, brother. Amen.
Incidentally, you have misconstrued the original post regarding injustice. The post referred to injustice in the world, not necessarily violence toward Christians. Comparatively-speaking, although there are very public examples of Christians gone awry (and even more of politicians in sheep's clothing), more has been done by those outside of the Christian sphere, toward any and/or all.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHRecced in the name of humour. Priceless.
[b]Most of the violence done to xians in history has been done "in the name of Christ."
Apparently, you have insights the walking-upright-world lacks. Joe Stalin was actually a Mormon, right? And his pograms were actually conscription drives, right? What was it, something like 25 million people refused Mormonism there in Russia?
How about thos ...[text shortened]... u sit on instead of actually researching?
it's a load of crap.
Amen, brother. Amen.[/b]
Originally posted by HalitoseWhat's even more priceless is the double-standard of thinking regularly applied within the circles of Bible-rejecting automatons.
Recced in the name of humour. Priceless.
"Christians can't have pre-suppositions, but the Bible is to be rejected, as miracles just don't happen."
"You can't prove God exists, so we'll just go with a bunch of meaningless zeroes to pass as origins."
"Your God is unjust; take my word for it."
I'm sure there's more, but my wee brain only can hold so much of the drivel without getting tired and demanding I take a nap.
Thanks for your support!
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI'm curious. What people do you look up to as glorifying God?
[b]Can the two concepts of "claim in the name of Spain" and "glory of God" be in conflict?
Well, when you consider the events surrounding that particular three-hour cruise, there can be no doubt it was Spain's swan song.
However, more injustice has been done in attempts to eradicate God from the scene, or in the name of truth, than anything ever done in the name of Christ, which did not glorify Him.[/b]
Originally posted by kirksey957Sorry, but I don't "look up" to any person with respect to your specific inquiry.
I'm curious. What people do you look up to as glorifying God?
By definition, however, to glorify God, one must:
Be a Christian
Be Spirit-filled (no, not ecstatics, so rest easy)
Be growing in grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ
That should answer the broader question, if I read it a-right.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHCan a Jew glorify God?
Sorry, but I don't "look up" to any person with respect to your specific inquiry.
By definition, however, to glorify God, one must:
Be a Christian
Be Spirit-filled (no, not ecstatics, so rest easy)
Be growing in grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ
That should answer the broader question, if I read it a-right.