Originally posted by KneverKnightWell I am in agreement with you with ID one recognizes it or
A person's perception of a fact may be coloured by opinion, so much so that the fact is ignored.
I think this is why ID and Creationism are not to be studied in a science class, because they are opinion based, ie they assume their outcomes rather than letting observed evidence decide.
ID and Creationism aren't science.
doesn't. With science it isn't a matter of being able to recognize
anything, to do so leaves discovery and sets a marker that
cannot be justified within the realm of science. Science has built
in blinders, the process blinds people to a possible result.
Kelly
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI suppose. I am trying to show that using God as an explanation for where matter came from does not clear up anything. Any explanation about where God came from can be applied to matter. If you are insinuating that God never wasn't, I reply that maybe matter always was.
By just appeared, your insinuation is that, at some point, He wasn't?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungIf you are insinuating that God never wasn't, I reply that maybe matter always was.
You are getting closer to the point with this post. Not that is encompasses all schools of thought, but it narrows down a majority of them. Either matter has always existed, or from where matter came.
hmmmm....for all you brainey intellectuals....if you are at the bottom
of a hill and find a marble rollled down it...you walk up the hill and
observe the track of the marble as it indented the soil on the way down...a natural law comes to mind....but who dropped the marble
and created gravity ?....one must look past conclusions before one
can uphold science as the origin of things....einstein said that god does not throw dice...was einstein stupid ?
Originally posted by GENGARYou assume that 'someone' created gravity. Someone creating marbles I'm fine with. People taking marbles to the tops of hills fine. Both people and marbles are known to exist.
hmmmm....for all you brainey intellectuals....if you are at the bottom
of a hill and find a marble rollled down it...you walk up the hill and
observe the track of the marble as it indented the soil on the way down...a natural law comes to mind....but who dropped the marble
and created gravity ?....one must look past conclusions before one
can uphold science as the origin of things....einstein said that god does not throw dice...was einstein stupid ?
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Originally posted by scottishinnzID sees someone or thing creating life, you have no issues with
You assume that 'someone' created gravity. Someone creating marbles I'm fine with. People taking marbles to the tops of hills fine. Both people and marbles are known to exist.
someone creating marbles, both are known to exist, you know
people make marbles because you can to go the marble factory
or where ever they are made, or is there something about
marbles that you know must be man made if so, what is it about
marbles that cause you to know they are made by someone?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI don't agree.
Well I am in agreement with you with ID one recognizes it or
doesn't. With science it isn't a matter of being able to recognize
anything, to do so leaves discovery and sets a marker that
cannot be justified within the realm of science. Science has built
in blinders, the process blinds people to a possible result.
Kelly
Science doesn't start out with a result and then try to prove it.
Well, aside from human nature and ego ...
Science does come to some conclusions, but yes, those conclusions are modified by new discovery. That usually doesn't mean you have to throw out everything and start all over. For example, you can send a rocket to the moon using Newton's work but you need Einstein's stuff to look at things moving near the speed of light.
I don't see any blinders in science. Where are they?
Originally posted by GENGAREinstein was told to stop telling God what to do.
hmmmm....for all you brainey intellectuals....if you are at the bottom
of a hill and find a marble rollled down it...you walk up the hill and
observe the track of the marble as it indented the soil on the way down...a natural law comes to mind....but who dropped the marble
and created gravity ?....one must look past conclusions before one
can uphold science as the origin of things....einstein said that god does not throw dice...was einstein stupid ?
Originally posted by KellyJayWell, we can actually go to marble factory and see the marbles being made by humans. We know humans exist. We do not know that god exists. We have observed marble-o-genesis (if you'd like) on many occassions, but we've never observed god. You would say that we have, however that cannot be said with absolute certainty since there are other plausible explanations that divine intervention.
ID sees someone or thing creating life, you have no issues with
someone creating marbles, both are known to exist, you know
people make marbles because you can to go the marble factory
or where ever they are made, or is there something about
marbles that you know must be man made if so, what is it about
marbles that cause you to know they are made by someone?
Kelly