@galveston75 saidYou are missing the most important point. Its not whether or not you approve of your members lifestyle or their sins. If they sin and you disfellowship then so be it. That is your right as a religious organisation.
So...... this subject has been discussed many times. It is very obvious that the majority of all here do not agree with the JW's stand on not being allowed to fellowship freely with ones (which is only a temporary event) who do not show remorse for certain serious sins they comment. They are usually still allowed to attend meetings and even have their presence acknowledge ...[text shortened]... f mans guilt trips no matter how much pressure ones here put on us. We only answer to Jehovah.......
The issue is going beyond that and encouraging family members to shun the former member who was disfellowshipped. That is just plain sick, vindictive and evil. What right do you have to do that? This is what the govt is saying. You have no right to interfere with people's family life and cause them emotional stress.
If anything you should be encouraging families to stay together. What the JWs are doing in unbiblical and sinful.
@Rajk999 saidI've explained that to you Rajk sooooooooo many times is beyond believable. WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE DISFELLOWSHIPPED AND (((((( CONTINUE )))))) TO DO WHAT GOT THEM DISFELLOWSHIPPED in the first place? Oh my you are missing the point my friend by miles.
You are missing the most important point. Its not whether or not you approve of your members lifestyle or their sins. If they sin and you disfellowship then so be it. That is your right as a religious organisation.
The issue is going beyond that and encouraging family members to shun the former member who was disfellowshipped. That is just plain sick, vindictive and evil ...[text shortened]... u should be encouraging families to stay together. What the JWs are doing in unbiblical and sinful.
Jehovah will never allow them to return back in a good standing as long as they are still PRACTICING that sin. ONLY when they STOP PRACTICING that gross sin can they be reinstated and once again be a part of the congregation.
If one has murdered for example and for all reasons the judicial system expects he will murder again, what happens to him? He goes to jail. If he whimpers and cry's that no one visits him, that's tuff, he deserves that, ya think?
If a JW that has been disfellowshipped because of a gross sin and shows no remorse but wants back in and wants his JW family to have him over for dinner, guess what? It ain't going to happen.
Sorry you don't get, it's sad you don't................... STUDY YOUR BIBLE AND GET TO KNOW JEHOVAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding.”—PROV. 3:5.
@galveston75 saidQuote the verse where it says to force husbands to shun wives, and parents to shun children, and viceversa.
I've explained that to you Rajk sooooooooo many times is beyond believable. WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE DISFELLOWSHIPPED AND (((((( CONTINUE )))))) TO DO WHAT GOT THEM DISFELLOWSHIPPED in the first place? Oh my you are missing the point my friend by miles.
Jehovah will never allow them to return back in a good standing as long as they are still PRACTIC ...[text shortened]... !
“Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding.”—PROV. 3:5.
You are breaking up families. You are to remove them from your congregation. That is all that you are allowed to do.
Your religion is evil.
-Removed-Not all that are disfellowshiped understand why a decision to disfellowship them was made. The reason is they have not learned WHY what they did is wrong, just as not everyone who is disciplined by parents, employers, judges, legal systems, etc understand the needed and enforced discipline administered to them when they are guilty of some infraction. Hence many react in ways that shows they either don't understand God's ways on morality or just don't care.
And not everyone who is removed from the congregations are always truthful in the reasons why they were disfellowshiped to others. I have seen that many times.
@galveston75 saidNo reference? Know why you cannot provide it? There are none. The advice from Paul is to keep those who continue a life of sin, out of the congregation. That is as far as you can go. There is no support for the church encouraging family members to shun one another. That behaviour is just plain sick and evil.
@Rajk999
If you say so......
@Rajk999 saidYou too. Same old comments with zero understanding...
No reference? Know why you cannot provide it? There are none. The advice from Paul is to keep those who continue a life of sin, out of the congregation. That is as far as you can go. There is no support for the church encouraging family members to shun one another. That behaviour is just plain sick and evil.
@galveston75 saidZero brain-washing. Paul was not at all suggesting that husband shun his wife or family members shun one that sins. Paul did in fact state the opposite:
You too. Same old comments with zero understanding...
For married people I have a command which is not my own but the Lord's: a wife must not leave her husband; but if she does, she must remain single or else be reconciled to her husband; and a husband must not divorce his wife. To the others I say (I, myself, not the Lord): if a Christian man has a wife who is an unbeliever and she agrees to go on living with him, he must not divorce her. And if a Christian woman is married to a man who is an unbeliever and he agrees to go on living with her, she must not divorce him. (1Co 7:10-13 GNB)