JW's and prophecy.....

@Rajk999 said
Jesus was subject to God, in the flesh, and in the Spirit. After his ascension to heaven he was still subject to God and will remain that way for ever.

[i]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that ...[text shortened]... is not God, is not equal to God, and is not the same. God is the head, and Jesus is the Son of God.

[John 14:7-11 NKJV] 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." 8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own [authority]; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 "Believe Me that I [am] in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."

@KingDavid403 said
[John 14:7-11 NKJV] 7 "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." 8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." 9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the ...[text shortened]... I [am] in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."

The point remains. Your reference supports the view that
- Jesus is not God
- Jesus is not equal to God
- Jesus is not the same as God.

Thankfully Jesus explains his words when he said that the He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Jesus speaks with the authority of the Father. The Father dwells in Jesus.

In the same way the Holy Spirit dwells in the disciples, does not mean that they are one and the same, neither are they equal.

@Rajk999 said
The point remains. Your reference supports the view that
- Jesus is not God
- Jesus is not equal to God
- Jesus is not the same as God.

Thankfully Jesus explains his words when he said that the He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Jesus speaks with the authority of the Father. The Father dwells in Jesus.

In the same way the Holy Spirit dwells in the disciples, does not mean that they are one and the same, neither are they equal.

Jesus is God; period!
Why would you care anyway. You worship Trump as your god. The most un-Christian person on this earth; and, you don't even live in America. Go figure... 😆
Jesus said: "You will know them by their fruits." btw, you don't have any at present; and, you most likely never will.

@KingDavid403 said
Jesus is God; period!
Why would you care anyway. You worship Trump as your god. The most un-Christian person on this earth; and, you don't even live in America. Go figure... 😆
Jesus said: "You will know them by their fruits." btw, you don't have any at present; and, you most likely never will.

As usual, not providing evidence for your statement, going off topic, posting insults and derogatory expressions means you have conceded the point.

@Rajk999 said
As usual, not providing evidence for your statement, going off topic, posting insults and derogatory expressions means you have conceded the point.

Whatever makes you feel better. However, you're incorrect. 🙂 Furthermore, I responded with Scripture and nothing more, I need no evidence other than that.
If you got a problem with the scriptures I posted, have a talk with God trumptard.
We all know how you trumptards twist and treat God's Holy Scriptures; along with everyone and everything else.

@KingDavid403 said
Whatever makes you feel better. However, you're incorrect. 🙂 Furthermore, I responded with Scripture and nothing more, I need no evidence other than that.
If you got a problem with the scriptures I posted, have a talk with God trumptard.
We all know how you trumptards twist and treat God's Holy Scriptures; along with everyone and everything else.

Paul said -
the HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.
Clearly your interpretation that
Jesus is God, period...
is nonsense.

You have a childish mentality with your constant inability to communicate properly and in a mature fashion.

@Rajk999 said
Paul said -
the HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.
Clearly your interpretation that
Jesus is God, period...
is nonsense.

You have a childish mentality with your constant inability to communicate properly and in a mature fashion.

Titus 2:13:
"looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"
Hebrews 1:8:
"But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.”"
John 1:1-2:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."
John 20:28:
"Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”"
Colossians 1:16-17:
"For in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
Hebrews 1:3:
"He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power."
Revelation 1:8:
"“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”"

@KingDavid403 said
Titus 2:13:
"looking forward to the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ"
Hebrews 1:8:
"But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.”"
John 1:1-2:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with Go ...[text shortened]... the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”"

regardless ...
God remains the head of Christ.
Jesus said, he does not know the day that he will return.
Only God knows that.

Clearly two different entities.

@Rajk999 said
regardless ...
God remains the head of Christ.
Jesus said, he does not know the day that he will return.
Only God knows that.

Clearly two different entities.

Clearly two different entities.
So we have two Gods then? or three? or is it ONE GOD?

Jesus said, he does not know the day that he will return.
Yes, while Jesus was still in the flesh as the Son of God He did not know. Fully God, yet fully human.
Get it?

@KingDavid403 said
Clearly two different entities.
So we have two Gods then? or three? or is it ONE GOD?

Jesus said, he does not know the day that he will return.
Yes, while Jesus was still in the flesh as the Son of God He did not know. Fully God, yet fully human.
Get it?

Paul said, there is one God, and one Son of God, Jesus Christ, and this was after his death and resurrection :
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1Ti 2:5 KJV)

Jesus never said that he was God or even implied any such thing. All your posts are vague posts of other people implying he is God, with several meanings and which can be misinterpreted.

Jesus accepted Peters knowledge about who he was.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (Mat 16:15-17 KJV)

Jesus said, God revealed to Peter, that this was Jesus, His Son. Apparently the church revealed some other doctrine to you.

@Rajk999 said
Paul said, there is one God, and one Son of God, Jesus Christ, and this was after his death and resurrection :
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1Ti 2:5 KJV)

Jesus never said that he was God or even implied any such thing. All your posts are vague posts of other people implying he is God, with several meanings an ...[text shortened]... Peter, that this was Jesus, His Son. Apparently the church revealed some other doctrine to you.

So you are saying that there are two Gods then? Or that we should not worship Jesus because He is not God? You're not making any sense here. Furthermore, you've left out God's Holy Spirit. God's Holy Spirit must be grieved then since no one hardly prays to Him or worships Him.
Twos company, threes a crowd?

@KingDavid403 said
So you are saying that there are two Gods then? Or that we should not worship Jesus because He is not God? You're not making any sense here. Furthermore, you've left out God's Holy Spirit. God's Holy Spirit must be grieved then since no one hardly prays to Him or worships Him.
Twos company, threes a crowd?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1Jn 5:7 KJV)

They are not 3 Gods. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are of one mind and purpose but three distinct entities, with different functions

@Rajk999 said
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1Jn 5:7 KJV)

They are not 3 Gods. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are of one mind and purpose but three distinct entities, with different functions

You're getting closer. 🙂
How about One God that does many different things in many different ways. Or, do you think God can only do somethings by Himself?

@KingDavid403 said
You're getting closer. 🙂
How about One God that does many different things in many different ways. Or, do you think God can only do somethings by Himself?

Got a clear reference for ... One God that does many different things in many different ways ?

God appoints people / beings to do stuff. There are angels, archangels, cherubs and a whole long list of heavenly beings [listed in Jewish literature], of the types of beings working for God. Even Satan is working for God.

@Rajk999 said
Got a clear reference for ... One God that does many different things in many different ways ?

God appoints people / beings to do stuff. There are angels, archangels, cherubs and a whole long list of heavenly beings [listed in Jewish literature], of the types of beings working for God. Even Satan is working for God.

So Jesus is an appointed being to do the will of God?
How is the Son of God different than God?


[1Titus 3:16 NKJV] 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.