23 Jun 20
@chaney3 saidBack at you then, if I may...
We may know that a Creator is responsible for everything, but the Bible tries to tell us who this Creator is.
Yet, many don't believe the stories of the Bible.
Do you really know God?
Is God really jealous? Has regrets?
Do you “know that a creator is responsible for everything”?
Are you one the this “many (who) don’t believe the stories in the bible”?
Do you “really know god”?
Is (your) god really jealous? Does (your god) “he have regrets”?
23 Jun 20
@divegeester saidForum etiquette requires you to offer your opinion first.
Back at you then, if I may...
Do you “know that a creator is responsible for everything”?
Are you one the this “many (who) don’t believe the stories in the bible”?
Do you “really know god”?
Is (your) god really jealous? Does (your god) “he have regrets”?
Your only perception of God is given through the Bible.....yet, you won't believe what is written.
Why?
@chaney3 saidOk. I have replied to your OP first, as requested.
Forum etiquette requires you to offer your opinion first.
Your turn.
I don’t “really” know god. But I’m sure he knows me and I know him a bit.
Yes the bible says that god is a jealous god, no I don’t think he has regrets.
23 Jun 20
@divegeester saidGod stated that He regretted mankind, thus destroying them in the Noah flood.
Ok. I have replied to your OP first, as requested.
Your turn.
I don’t “really” know god. But I’m sure he knows me and I know him a bit.
Yes the bible says that god is a jealous god, no I don’t think he has regrets.
@chaney3 saidReligions are systems of social organization and the personal discipline attendant thereto. People "knowing God" means knowing the particular system, the mythology, the narratives, the traditions etc. The degree to which you or any individual agrees exactly with what is generally believed by those around them is a personal matter. If you have tried to be a member of a particular religion and your head is still folled with the questions you have asked in the OP, maybe you should take a look at some other religions. Just an idea.
We may know that a Creator is responsible for everything, but the Bible tries to tell us who this Creator is.
Yet, many don't believe the stories of the Bible.
Do you really know God?
Is God really jealous? Has regrets?
24 Jun 20
@fmf saidThat makes sense from an agnostic/atheist or humanist perspective.
Religions are systems of social organization and the personal discipline attendant thereto. People "knowing God" means knowing the particular system, the mythology, the narratives, the traditions etc. The degree to which you or any individual agrees exactly with what is generally believed by those around them is a personal matter. If you have tried to be a member of a particular ...[text shortened]... stions you have asked in the OP, maybe you should take a look at some other religions. Just an idea.
But if God is real, then people who acquire religious knowledge (for any system that is right) are attaining knowledge of God.
@philokalia saidYes, thank you. And it's not just bears who poo in the woods; I do sometimes, too.
That makes sense from an agnostic/atheist or humanist perspective.
@philokalia saidThis is a dog bites man post rather than a man bites dog one.
But if God is real, then people who acquire religious knowledge (for any system that is right) are attaining knowledge of God.
Seeing as we have no way of knowing "if God is real" or whose God figure is real, and all we have to go on is the systems and traditions that various religious groups espouse, then the best theists can do is learn, memorize and internalize whatever their religion claims about its God figure.
There is your "knowledge of God". It comes in many subjective stripes.
Now, there you go, you've got me offering a dog bites man post as well.
24 Jun 20
I will say that I know that my God is real, and this is through personal experiences that defy any possible explanation. Of course, they are not verifiable, but that's OK.
If you pursue a personal relationship with God with sincerity and humility, maybe such events can happen for you as well.
I cannot operate in a way that I believe God is not a certainty.
24 Jun 20
@philokalia saidchaney3 has been given this kind of advice countless times. I think he just likes to get the attention of Christians by starting countless threads on how he isn't a Christian, or he is almost a Christian, or he would maybe be a Christian if it were not for X or for Y or for Z blah blah blah. He reminds me of the Nyborgs [and how they "just like talking to salesmen"] in Glengarry Glen Ross.
If you pursue a personal relationship with God with sincerity and humility, maybe such events can happen for you as well.
24 Jun 20
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@philokalia saidAnybody from any religion on any continent or from any culture at any point in history can make any claim of this kind they want about whatever their religion happens to be.
I will say that I know that my God is real, and this is through personal experiences that defy any possible explanation. Of course, they are not verifiable, but that's OK.
@philokalia saidThis reminds me of what I say to posters like SecondSon who go on and on and on and on about how the various tenets of their faith and all the beliefs they base on their speculation about supernatural things are all "objective truths".
I cannot operate in a way that I believe God is not a certainty.
I suggest they stop flogging that dead horse and do as I did when I was a Christian: act upon my beliefs AS IF they were objective truths, while not falling into the trap of oozing self-centred rhetoric about how "objective" my own certainty about my own faith makes my "knowledge" about God.