10 Apr '08 03:25>
So, when Lazarus was brought back from the dead, had his soul been in Heaven or Hell?
Originally posted by Mark Adkins1st: why the curiosity?
So, when Lazarus was brought back from the dead, had his soul been in Heaven or Hell?
Originally posted by Big MacSince Jesus speaks of the other Lazarus and Abraham enjoying themselves in Paradise before
1st: why the curiosity?
2nd: the text is silent in the passage, therefore one could only deduce the answer from other passages in the Bible.
Possible "parable" question: did heaven exist at the time, specifically before the death and resurrection of Jesus?
serious thoughts from others?
Originally posted by Big MacBecause it is an interesting thought experiment that raises a number of issues.
1st: why the curiosity?
Originally posted by NemesioI'm not sure the Lazarus who was raised from the dead, and the tax collector Jesus told a story about are the same person. There is nothing in the text to suggest that they are. Perhaps, like Jesus, Lazarus is common name. The Lazarus who was brought back from the dead was the brother of Mary and Martha and a friend of Jesus and the disciples.
Since Jesus speaks of the other Lazarus and Abraham enjoying themselves in Paradise before
His death, I'd say that it would be theologically unsound to say that Heaven didn't exist before
the Resurrection.
Nemesio
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhat do you mean by "source of information?"
Because it is an interesting thought experiment that raises a number of issues.
[b]2nd: the text is silent in the passage, therefore one could only deduce the answer from other passages in the Bible.
Is the Bible your only source of information?
Possible "parable" question: did heaven exist at the time, specifically before the death and res ...[text shortened]... ory got recorded in the Bible, I have to say that 1. is the most likely to be the main reason.
Originally posted by dinosaurusLet me put it this way: Did Lazarus' soul cease to exist when his earthly body died?
I don't believe time exists in the "afterlife". Therefore, I don't think it is given that Lazerous experienced anything between the time of his first passing and the time of his being brought back to life. Recognizing that God and heaven do not experience time the way we understand it may help you understand other passages in the Bible.
Originally posted by Mark AdkinsThe Roman Church has essentially renounced Her belief in limbo, just so you know, saying that it
I know that Protestants (the ones I'm familiar with, e.g., Baptists, etc.) deny the existence of "Limbo" -- that seems to be a Catholic construct -- and preach that souls either go to Heaven or Hell upon death
Originally posted by NemesioThanks. After reading the news story, I see that I actually meant Purgatory in my reference to Protestant teachings.
The Roman Church has essentially renounced Her belief in limbo, just so you know, saying that it
was never an official dogma of Her teachings.
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=17813
I'm not sure that Protestant churches deny the existence of limbo as a matter of faith, although
I'm sure that they don't preach it from the pulpit.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Mark AdkinsAh. Yes, the liturgical Protestants make an absolute rejection of the 'Romish' doctrine of Purgatory.
Thanks. After reading the news story, I see that I actually meant Purgatory in my reference to Protestant teachings.
Originally posted by Nemesio'Popish', my dear fellow, 'popish'. Positively whiffy with incense from morning 'til night.
Ah. Yes, the liturgical Protestants make an absolute rejection of the 'Romish' doctrine of Purgatory.
I don't know about the Calvinists or Anabaptist derivatives, though.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Mark AdkinsActually, I was referring specifically to Article XXII in the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion which are
'Popish', my dear fellow, 'popish'. Positively whiffy with incense from morning 'til night.