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    inspired by a comment by sonhouse. i want to ask the theists on here a question. you are all expecting god or jesus to return 'soon', at what point do you say enough is enough he aint comming?

    there has to be a time limit, doesnt there?
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    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    inspired by a comment by sonhouse. i want to ask the theists on here a question. you are all expecting god or jesus to return 'soon', at what point do you say enough is enough he aint comming?

    there has to be a time limit, doesnt there?
    Hard to know.

    They say God created everything in seven days.
    But there is an argument over how long a day was.
    Some say a day was a thousand years. A lot of
    Biblical scholars say that each day should be regarded
    as a thousand years.

    So who knows when he's coming?

    Might be thousands of years from now.
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    19 May '13 21:141 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    inspired by a comment by sonhouse. i want to ask the theists on here a question. you are all expecting god or jesus to return 'soon', at what point do you say enough is enough he aint comming?

    there has to be a time limit, doesnt there?
    You simply do not understand.

    You do not understand about the Lord's coming.
    You do not understand what He has been doing in the mean time for centries.

    You do not understand WHY He comes, what is the impetus for Him to come, the motivation.

    And you surely don't understand that God's past record on prophecy fulfillment encourages us that He will yet again be faithful.

    Now please stop feeling sorry for Christians. When Jesus physically comes again most people will think that it is TOO SOON rather than too late.
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    19 May '13 21:28
    Originally posted by sonship
    You simply do not understand.

    You do not understand about the Lord's coming.
    You do not understand what He has been doing in the mean time for centries.

    You do not understand WHY He comes, what is the impetus for Him to come, the motivation.

    And you surely don't understand that God's past record on prophecy fulfillment encourages us that He wi ...[text shortened]... Jesus physically comes again most people will think that it is TOO SOON rather than too late.
    are you having some sort of break down? calm down fella. im not feeling sorry for you. im asking a perfectly sensible question...........at what point will people give up waiting, if (hypothetically god doesnt initiate the 'end'😉

    logic wise i guess it would depend if you are old or young earth.
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    19 May '13 21:381 edit
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Hard to know.

    They say God created everything in seven days.
    But there is an argument over how long a day was.
    Some say a day was a thousand years. A lot of
    Biblical scholars say that each day should be regarded
    as a thousand years.

    So who knows when he's coming?

    Might be thousands of years from now.
    You must be referring to what Christ's disciple named Simon, also known as the apostle Peter, wrote as follows:

    "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance...

    Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

    You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."


    (2 Peter 3:8-9, 14-18 NKJV)

    The apostle Peter may have been referring to what Saul, also known as the apostle Paul, wrote as follows:

    "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.


    (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, 9-12, 15 NKJV)

    But as you see, this has nothing to do with the days of creation which are each specifically marked with an evening and a morning, indicating the kind of days and duration of the creation.

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    19 May '13 21:54
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You must be referring to what Christ's disciple named Simon, also known as the apostle Peter, wrote as follows:

    [b]"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willi ...[text shortened]... g and a morning, indicating the kind of days and duration of the creation.

    The Instructor
    will jesus return in the next 10,000 years?
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    19 May '13 22:40
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    will jesus return in the next 10,000 years?
    The following is what Christ said on the matter from Matthew 24:

    Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

    As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

    Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

    “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

    “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time.

    “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

    “Immediately after the distress of those days

    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

    “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

    “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

    “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

    “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!

    The Instructor
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    19 May '13 22:41
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The following is what Christ said on the matter from Matthew 24:

    [b]Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

    As Jesus was sitting on the Mou ...[text shortened]... th.


    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Glory be to God! Holy! Holy! Holy!

    The Instructor[/b]
    is that a yes or no?
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    19 May '13 22:511 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    is that a yes or no?
    Why do you ask me, when Jesus answered your question? Read and heed.

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    19 May '13 23:36
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Why do you ask me, when Jesus answered your question? Read and heed.

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    im asking for your opinion, not jesus.
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    19 May '13 23:45
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    im asking for your opinion, not jesus.
    My opinion is yes, I believe it will be sooner than 10,000 years.

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    19 May '13 23:58
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    My opinion is yes, I believe it will be sooner than 10,000 years.

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    Mark 9:1 quite clearly states that some of Jesus followers who stood before him would not taste death before the Kingdom of God returns. Matthew 24:29-25 makes similar claims, that was 2000 years ago.
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    20 May '13 00:162 edits
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    Mark 9:1 quite clearly states that some of Jesus followers who stood before him would not taste death before the Kingdom of God returns. Matthew 24:29-25 makes similar claims, that was 2000 years ago.
    "Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

    You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

    (2 Peter 3:14-18 NKJV)

    The apostle Peter may have been referring to what Saul, also known as the apostle Paul, wrote as follows:

    "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

    (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, 9-12, 15 NKJV)

    Some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    The Instructor
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    20 May '13 01:49
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    inspired by a comment by sonhouse. i want to ask the theists on here a question. you are all expecting god or jesus to return 'soon', at what point do you say enough is enough he aint comming?

    there has to be a time limit, doesnt there?
    From Adam to Jesus is about 4,000 years so maybe in 4,050 after his rising from the grave.
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    20 May '13 01:54
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    will jesus return in the next 10,000 years?
    I would say yes, because we are starting to go into space more and more privately then by the governments. God will not allow us to populate the universe.
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