1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    09 Oct '10 20:121 edit
    Level playing questions about two men doing work.

    1. Is it right for one to one to be treated differently one receiving favorable
    treatment and the other treated more harshly?

    2. Is it right for both men to be treated the equally without favor one way or another?

    3. Depending on your answer, do you think your answer is always true?
    Kelly
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    09 Oct '10 20:25
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Level playing questions about two men doing work.

    1. Is it right for one to one to be treated differently one receiving favorable
    treatment and the other treated more harshly?

    2. Is it right for both men to be treated the equally without favor one way or another?

    3. Depending on your answer, do you think your answer is always true?
    Kelly
    You didn't mention the clause "all other things being equal". If the clause is included then they should be treated equally. If it is not then there may be valid reasons for differential treatment.

    Of course the whole hierarchical management system is inherently unfair anyway. Simply the fact that you can treat an employee in any way at all is unfair as it make you superior to him.
  3. Standard memberKellyJay
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    09 Oct '10 20:321 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You didn't mention the clause "all other things being equal". If the clause is included then they should be treated equally. If it is not then there may be valid reasons for differential treatment.

    Of course the whole hierarchical management system is inherently unfair anyway. Simply the fact that you can treat an employee in any way at all is unfair as it make you superior to him.
    I know I left that out, because what you may value as a need to treat someone
    differently I may not agree with. So I am still asking should we treat people
    differently?

    You don't like the idea of treating everyone the same way?

    Let me say this, we should treat everyone the same way for the same thing, is
    that better?
    Kelly
  4. Standard memberKellyJay
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    09 Oct '10 20:39
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You didn't mention the clause "all other things being equal". If the clause is included then they should be treated equally. If it is not then there may be valid reasons for differential treatment.

    Of course the whole hierarchical management system is inherently unfair anyway. Simply the fact that you can treat an employee in any way at all is unfair as it make you superior to him.
    I have to give you the point on "all things being equal", but I don't think it is
    wrong to have a hierarchical managment system. You'd never get anything done
    in a complex world without it. You'd just have a bunch of people sitting around
    saying, "You do it." and others saying, "No, you do it!" 🙂
    Kelly
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    09 Oct '10 23:48
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Level playing questions about two men doing work.

    1. Is it right for one to one to be treated differently one receiving favorable
    treatment and the other treated more harshly?

    2. Is it right for both men to be treated the equally without favor one way or another?

    3. Depending on your answer, do you think your answer is always true?
    Kelly
    I don't know.

    Yes, I think my answer is always true. 😕
  6. Donationrwingett
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    10 Oct '10 00:22
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I have to give you the point on "all things being equal", but I don't think it is
    wrong to have a hierarchical managment system. You'd never get anything done
    in a complex world without it. You'd just have a bunch of people sitting around
    saying, "You do it." and others saying, "No, you do it!" 🙂
    Kelly
    When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman? From the beginning all men by nature were created alike, and our bondage or servitude came in by the unjust oppression of naughty men. For if God would have had any bondmen from the beginning, he would have appointed who should be bond, and who free. And therefore I exhort you to consider that now the time is come, appointed to us by God, in which ye may (if ye will) cast off the yoke of bondage, and recover liberty.

    -John Ball (1381)
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    10 Oct '10 15:42
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I know I left that out, because what you may value as a need to treat someone
    differently I may not agree with. So I am still asking should we treat people
    differently?

    You don't like the idea of treating everyone the same way?

    Let me say this, we should treat everyone the same way for the same thing, is
    that better?
    Kelly
    We should "treat" everyone the same (as we would like to be treated), but we should not REWARD all workers the same (your original post did refer to work, correct?
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    10 Oct '10 18:23
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I have to give you the point on "all things being equal", but I don't think it is
    wrong to have a hierarchical managment system. You'd never get anything done
    in a complex world without it. You'd just have a bunch of people sitting around
    saying, "You do it." and others saying, "No, you do it!" 🙂
    Kelly
    I realize that designing a non-hierarchal management system may be practically impossible - especially in todays world which is so strongly biased in favor of a hierarchical system. However, the question was not what makes sound economic policy, the question was what is fair. Sound economic policy might be that slavery is the best system.
    I do not believe a hierarchical management system is fair especially the system currently in place in most companies today where the higher up you are the more you get paid regardless of how hard you work or how skilled you are at your job. It has resulted from the fact that people tend to exploit their positions for personal benefit and management is best placed to achieve the most exploitation. Thats life, but it isn't fair.

    But whats your original question all about? Are you asking about discrimination due to age, race or sex? Or are you getting at something else?
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    11 Oct '10 09:26
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Level playing questions about two men doing work.

    1. Is it right for one to one to be treated differently one receiving favorable
    treatment and the other treated more harshly?

    2. Is it right for both men to be treated the equally without favor one way or another?

    3. Depending on your answer, do you think your answer is always true?
    Kelly
    Is this a disguised question about socialism vs capitalism, or is more straight-forward about morals?

    If it is about morals then there are too many variables to consider such as performance of the two men doing the same job. Supposing they performed at exactly the same level then there would be no need to to treat them differently would there... If they were still treated differently then there must be some motivation for doing so. Perhaps one of the men was the business owners son for example; he may receive some measure of favorable treatment but that does not mean that the other man is being treated unfairly for his work, it just means he is not the business owners son who by lineage is receiving certain benefits, as any child would from their parent. With those benefits and favorable treatment may come accountability at some point.
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