Originally posted by FabianFnas
Your question is off topic. I conclude that god is more evil than god because god takes more life than Hitler. You don't seem to object to that. I'm satisfied with that.
Hitler was a christian. He believed in god. So says christian priests.
God is in heaven alright. Read the prayer "Our father who are in heaven..."
Actually I don't believe in god, no er. This is my reasoning. Therefore (amongst other facts) I cannot belive in such a god.
Your question is off topic.
If there is a topic -
"Man created in the image of God" your comment is just as much off topic.
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I conclude that god is more evil than god because god takes more life than Hitler.
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That is warped thinking at best.
Ultimately we could count the death of every person as attributable to God. Who else has control over when your last day is if not God?
According to the Bible it was God who ordained that after the transgression of Adam all people would die. So why not blame the death of all people on God and end the matter that He has killed more than anyone?
Of course I might expect you to totally ignore that God too alone has the plan of salvation and resurrection of all people. So the Bible's God has not only authority over when everyone has his or her last day but also when everyone is resurrected from the dead.
"Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice and will come forth: those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil
to the resurrection of judgment." (John 5:28,29)
"Truly, truly, I say to you, An hour is coming , and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son to have life in Himself;
And He gave Him authority to execute judgment because He is the Son of Man." (John 5:25-27)
At least in my Christian faith this God has authority to resurrect again all that He has killed. And He has authority to judge for deeds done.
In your philosophy though you complain about Hitler's murders, still Hitler will probably melt peacefully away into dust and not have to give an account to God for his deeds.
There is more fairness and justice in my belief in a God who has authority over everyone's life, death, and resurrection than there is with your atheism.
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You don't seem to object to that. I'm satisfied with that.
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Your satisfied with a lot less warped logic than that. Your satisfied with believing that your righteousness exceeds that of God and of Jesus Christ.
On the other hand I am satisfied with a book like
Jonah which is dedicated to the revelation of God's reluctance to judge a sinful nation rather than His eagerness to do so.
Besides this God told Abraham that He could not punish the Canaanites yet because they were not yet bad enough. He needed another 400 years of their downward rebellion before they merited having the Israelites come in and take over thier land.
So God gives them another 400 years to disperse their sinful society and stop their terrible deeds. Then when Israel does come out of the land of Egypt ready to enter into Canaan, God delays the judgement for another additional 40 years. Forty more years they see divine judgement coming. Virtually only the hardest of the hard were left.
Any supposed "genocide" was of a people was held off by 400 years plus 40 years of impending warnings.
Can you imagine Hitler giving the Jews 440 years to repent of their so-called misdeeds? There is no comparison between God's actions and those of Hitler. Your warped way of thinking is eager to accuse God so that you may live comfortably in your own sins with self righteousness.
Hitler was a christian.
Sure, anyone who says they believe in apple pie and motherhood is a Christian. It a free world enough for anyone to say they are whatever they want.
Why don't you also condemn music as evil? Hitler's armies marched to music sometimes. So music is Nazism, right ?
David Duke and those fellas who like to burn crosses and bomb churches - the Ku Klux Klan ... there's some more Christians for you to accuse of being disciples of Jesus. Have at it.
Hey, they have flaming crosses. Right" So they must be Christians.
Your too dull I suppose to see that this for people to claim to be followers of Christ while doing evil deeds is not a statement on the quality of CHrist's teachings. It is a statement on the depravity of people to seize a noble and pure teaching to dignify their base and selfish desires.
What better way to lend credence to selfish and evil deeds than to proclaim that they are Christian?
But if you wanted to be a little objective about history you might also gather some information about these:
How many cloths have been put on naked backs in the name of being Christian.
How much shelter and food has been ministered to the needy under the banner of "Christians".
How many services to help the poor, the sick, the oppressed have also been performed under the banner of "Christian"
How many lives have been saved under the banner of "Christian"
Of course I expect no objectivity from your warped view of history.
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He believed in god. So says christian priests.
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I am happy with Christ's intructions that say we shall know His disciples by their fruits.
Besides, what makes you think that just making Christians was the goal of Christ? What makes you thinks to be Christians is an end in itself. I see Jesus concerned that His disciples be overcomers as believers in Him -
(Rev.2:7;11;17;26; 3:5;12;21)
So in the New Testament there are false Christians you know. Then there are defeated Christians and overcoming Christians.
False Christians can say whatever they want about what they are.
Those who are really regenerated spiritual disciples of Jesus can be defeated by immaturity or victorious in maturity. The Bible doesn't say that you have arrived at God's goal simply because you have been saved and can say "I am a Christian".
Christ looked for the Christians who overcome the old nature and mature into the new nature imparted to them by their new birth in Christ. Being born is not the end in itself.
So it matters little if Hitler was a Christian or not. I doubt that he was. And if he was he certainy manifested to be a defeated Christian.
Anyway, unlike you, I am not looking for poor Christians. I am looking for mature ones. I don't hunt for disciples who will give me excuses NOT to believe the Gospel. I look around for disciples of Jesus who give me reasons TO beleive the gospel.
Do you like chess? Do you hunt for poor chess players to give you reasons to give up chess? Or do you look around for good players who encourage you to keep on keeping on to maturity?
Jesus told me to follow Him. What difference does it make to me what Adolf does. Jesus said for
ME to follow Him.
He didn't tell me to follow Hitler. What a matter with you? Are you afraid that you won't have any self control and that you may become like Hitler if you believe in the Son of God?
Is that your handy dandy excuse to reject the Son of God? You're afraid that you'll end up like Adolf Hitler?
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God is in heaven alright. Read the prayer "Our father who are in heaven..."
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Very good. That passages says that God is in heaven.
Find me a verse now that suggests that He wants His saved people to spend eternity in Heaven.
I see the New Jerusalem coming down OUT of heaven to the earth in the closing pages of the Bible. The saved man's destiny is not GOING TO HEAVEN. It is becoming transformed into the image of Christ to be like Christ.
God Himself is the destiny. The destiny of the saved is to be in God -
"No one comes to the Father except through Me"
You get forgiven of all your sins. You do not get to remain the same kind of person you were when you sinned.
Every saved person must be transformed into the image of Christ. There is NO exception. You do not get to remain as you are. Neither you nor me nor Hitler (if he was a Christian which is dubious). We all who come to Jesus must be changed by Jesus.
So the destiny is really the Person of Jesus rather than the place of Heaven.
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Actually I don't believe in god, nor heaven. Tha'ts your belief. Don't question me of what you think is right.
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You make ignorant statements about what I believe and they get exposed.
I just exposed your ignorance about the Christian faith and the tissue of flimsy excuses you have for disdaining Christ.
Now go get busy and work on more lame and stupid misconceptions of my faith and the Bible. Do the best you can and have your little day. Then join the rest of the dying liars who think theu can hold a moral candle to God and Jesus.
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I don't proclaiming anything. I just put two and two together.
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Pigeon crap!! You're here to proclaim your "noble" rejection of the Gospel of Christ.
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If (a) christian says that god is good, and (b) god killed almost the enire population of earth at that time, then (a)+(b) gives that it is good to kill people. And (c) that Hitler killed 6 million people and he is considered evil, then god must be considered more evil than Hitler. This is my reasoning. Therefore (amongst other facts) I cannot belive in such a god.
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Sounds real logical.
You'd go well in the mob that cried out
"Crucify Him. Crucify Him".
They had thier excellent reasons also.
And where did you pick up the concept that killing people was wrong anyway? Did you invent it? Did you read it somewhe...
Man created in the likeness of God?
07 Apr '08 19:40
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