Originally posted by RJHindsStill dodging the answer aren't you? No clue huh?
Yes, actually in this case I am not joking. I am very serious. I also believe the time of Christ's return and the fulfilling of the prophecies of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is close at hand. I don't believe that Christ came spiritually in 1914 as you JWs teach. I believe He is coming so every eye shall see him. (Revelation 1:7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akvHnvRY838
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Originally posted by galveston75I use to be really into eschatology years ago, the antichrist, the beast, all of it. Remember, a book called the late great plant earth? Anyhow I think the most important thing we can do at this point is keep our eyes on Jesus, it will be easy to be deceived if we don't.
I'd like to get more comments from the bible but they may not be out there which is sad.
But the Bible does describe the different beast in the Bible as nations or governments that have ruled or are still ruling.
Originally posted by kd2aczWell I agree Jesus is very important, obviously. But if that's all we had to concern ourselves over then why the rest of the Bible? The Bible speaks of many events and signs that we have to recognize and act accordingly.
I use to be really into eschatology years ago, the antichrist, the beast, all of it. Remember, a book called the late great plant earth? Anyhow I think the most important thing we can do at this point is keep our eyes on Jesus, it will be easy to be deceived if we don't.
There are many things said in the new testiment even by Jesus himself that says it will be a struggle to find life in the fiture and that we have to work for it and not be trapped by satan and be involved in his belongings.
Knowledge of the Bible might mean our salvation so we have to know what these things mean..
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Originally posted by galveston75Here are my comments and references from the Holy Bible:
I'd like to get more comments from the bible but they may not be out there which is sad.
But the Bible does describe the different beast in the Bible as nations or governments that have ruled or are still ruling.
Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
Revelation 13:1-4
Now in chapter 12 John saw a great fiery red dragon that is described in the same manner as the above beast that came out of the sea. However, the beast listed above has 10 crowns or diadems on his horns instead of just 7.
And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born...
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(Revelation 12:3-4, 7-9 NKJV)
Here is a link to the standard Christian interpretaion of what beasts, heads, horns, crowns or diadems represent:
http://kentcrockett.com/biblestudies/beast7heads.htm
So we see that the beast represents an empire like Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome which Satan gives power and authority so he could work through. The Leopard, bear, and Lion identifies this beast empire with some of the combined characteristics of the prior Babylonian, Medo-Persian, and Greecian Empires only. The heads, horns, and crowns apparently represent the divisions of the human rulership within the beast empire at the time of the vision.
The sea or waters represent peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Revelation 17:15)
Some biblical scholars believe "sea" also represents the Mediterranean Sea and thus the peoples and nations near the Medeterranean Sea. So the earth or land is either away from the sea or where their are few peoples, nations, and tongues.
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed...
And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
(Revelation 13:11-12, 14-17 NKJV)
The beast that arises out of the land was noticeable for its lack of a crown, symbolizing an empire or nation without a King. The two horns like a lamb could mean dual leadership with one possibly political and the other religions that looks harmless although it speaks like a dragon. My first thought is a nation like Iran, but perhaps it is Iraq or Afghanistan in the future.
The Theory is that the religion of Islam is a unifying factor in Satan's deception in the name of Allah and the promised Madhi as the antichrist and false prophet Mohammed that will force the Islamic mark of the beast on as many people as possibe.
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Originally posted by menace71Yes, ultimately the beast is Satan. However, there are those beast empires or kngdoms, within which Satan works, such as Babylon, Greece, and Rome. These are what we are trying to identify with the beasts in Revelation 13. We may not know exactly until after the beast arises, however, we have clues from knowing what empires represented the previous beasts. One empire that has not been mentioned was the Ottoman Empire.
The bible tells who the beast is..........
Manny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
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