20 Nov 07
May all your expectations be frustrated,
May all your plans be thwarted,
May all your desires be withered into nothingness ,
That you you may experience the powerlessness and poverty
Of a child,
And sing and dance,
In the compassion of God,
Who is Father , Son and Spirit ,
Amen
(Prayer by Brennan Manning )
20 Nov 07
Originally posted by knightmeisterWhat a noxious sentiment.
May all your expectations be frustrated,
May all your plans be thwarted,
May all your desires be withered into nothingness ,
That you you may experience the powerlessness and poverty
Of a child,
And sing and dance,
In the compassion of God,
Who is Father , Son and Spirit ,
Amen
(Prayer by Brennan Manning )
20 Nov 07
Originally posted by knightmeisterI'm with Starrman here in his summation. If you are experiencing powerlessness and poverty because everything has gone wrong, then how on earth are you supposed to believe that God is compassionate? It's not a time for singing and dancing. Sounds like the sort of thing written by someone who never actually experienced it an is romanticizing poverty.
May all your expectations be frustrated,
May all your plans be thwarted,
May all your desires be withered into nothingness ,
That you you may experience the powerlessness and poverty
Of a child,
And sing and dance,
In the compassion of God,
Who is Father , Son and Spirit ,
Amen
(Prayer by Brennan Manning )
20 Nov 07
Originally posted by knightmeisterBizarro-God strikes again! It's funny how words like 'compassion' take on a completely opposite meaning when uttered by certain theists.
I know. It's threatening and a stumbling block to many. The compassion of God is an offence to our pride. To be that tender and fragile is not the way of the world.
Ask yourself why you find it noxious....
So, if I read this prayer right, God creates a world full of suffering for us to live in, but we gladly become masochists so that we can experience the 'compassion' of being saved from a situation the 'rescuer' created.
It's like an arsonist who sets a building on fire, then 'saves' only those who call out to him. Obviously, the fire is the fault of the people in the building. They must have done something to anger the arsonist. They should feel lucky the arsonist sticks around to save any of them at all. They should honor and praise the arsonist and throw him a ticker-tape parade once they get out.
20 Nov 07
Originally posted by SwissGambitSo, if I read this prayer right........................(swiss)
Bizarro-God strikes again! It's funny how words like 'compassion' take on a completely opposite meaning when uttered by certain theists.
So, if I read this prayer right, God creates a world full of suffering for us to live in, but we gladly become masochists so that we can experience the 'compassion' of being saved from a situation the 'rescuer' creat ...[text shortened]... ld honor and praise the arsonist and throw him a ticker-tape parade once they get out.
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20 Nov 07
Originally posted by pawnhandlerSounds like the sort of thing written by someone who never actually experienced it an is romanticizing poverty. -------pawnhandler
I'm with Starrman here in his summation. If you are experiencing powerlessness and poverty because everything has gone wrong, then how on earth are you supposed to believe that God is compassionate? It's not a time for singing and dancing. Sounds like the sort of thing written by someone who never actually experienced it an is romanticizing poverty.
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Oh he's been there alright. Korean war and then returned to USA. Spent some years as a chronic alcoholic. .....Trust me...he's been there.....probably more so than most. If there is one thing Brennan Manning isn't then it's a romantic idealist stuck up his own ass.