1. Standard memberknightmeister
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    20 Nov '07 11:15
    May all your expectations be frustrated,
    May all your plans be thwarted,
    May all your desires be withered into nothingness ,
    That you you may experience the powerlessness and poverty
    Of a child,
    And sing and dance,
    In the compassion of God,
    Who is Father , Son and Spirit ,

    Amen

    (Prayer by Brennan Manning )
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    20 Nov '07 11:41
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    May all your expectations be frustrated,
    May all your plans be thwarted,
    May all your desires be withered into nothingness ,
    That you you may experience the powerlessness and poverty
    Of a child,
    And sing and dance,
    In the compassion of God,
    Who is Father , Son and Spirit ,

    Amen

    (Prayer by Brennan Manning )
    What a noxious sentiment.
  3. Standard memberknightmeister
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    20 Nov '07 12:20
    Originally posted by Starrman
    What a noxious sentiment.
    I know. It's threatening and a stumbling block to many. The compassion of God is an offence to our pride. To be that tender and fragile is not the way of the world.

    Ask yourself why you find it noxious....
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    20 Nov '07 13:35
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    May all your expectations be frustrated,
    May all your plans be thwarted,
    May all your desires be withered into nothingness ,
    That you you may experience the powerlessness and poverty
    Of a child,
    And sing and dance,
    In the compassion of God,
    Who is Father , Son and Spirit ,

    Amen

    (Prayer by Brennan Manning )
    I'm with Starrman here in his summation. If you are experiencing powerlessness and poverty because everything has gone wrong, then how on earth are you supposed to believe that God is compassionate? It's not a time for singing and dancing. Sounds like the sort of thing written by someone who never actually experienced it an is romanticizing poverty.
  5. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    20 Nov '07 18:19
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    I know. It's threatening and a stumbling block to many. The compassion of God is an offence to our pride. To be that tender and fragile is not the way of the world.

    Ask yourself why you find it noxious....
    Bizarro-God strikes again! It's funny how words like 'compassion' take on a completely opposite meaning when uttered by certain theists.

    So, if I read this prayer right, God creates a world full of suffering for us to live in, but we gladly become masochists so that we can experience the 'compassion' of being saved from a situation the 'rescuer' created.

    It's like an arsonist who sets a building on fire, then 'saves' only those who call out to him. Obviously, the fire is the fault of the people in the building. They must have done something to anger the arsonist. They should feel lucky the arsonist sticks around to save any of them at all. They should honor and praise the arsonist and throw him a ticker-tape parade once they get out.
  6. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    20 Nov '07 18:31
    Originally posted by knightmeister

    That you you may experience the powerlessness and poverty
    Of a child
    Which child?
  7. Standard memberknightmeister
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    20 Nov '07 21:34
    Me thinks you all protest too much!
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    20 Nov '07 21:48
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Which child?
    The child within you?
  9. Standard memberknightmeister
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    20 Nov '07 21:49
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Bizarro-God strikes again! It's funny how words like 'compassion' take on a completely opposite meaning when uttered by certain theists.

    So, if I read this prayer right, God creates a world full of suffering for us to live in, but we gladly become masochists so that we can experience the 'compassion' of being saved from a situation the 'rescuer' creat ...[text shortened]... ld honor and praise the arsonist and throw him a ticker-tape parade once they get out.
    So, if I read this prayer right........................(swiss)


    RESPONSE-----

    ............you didn't
  10. Standard memberknightmeister
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    20 Nov '07 21:55
    Originally posted by pawnhandler
    I'm with Starrman here in his summation. If you are experiencing powerlessness and poverty because everything has gone wrong, then how on earth are you supposed to believe that God is compassionate? It's not a time for singing and dancing. Sounds like the sort of thing written by someone who never actually experienced it an is romanticizing poverty.
    Sounds like the sort of thing written by someone who never actually experienced it an is romanticizing poverty. -------pawnhandler

    -----------

    Oh he's been there alright. Korean war and then returned to USA. Spent some years as a chronic alcoholic. .....Trust me...he's been there.....probably more so than most. If there is one thing Brennan Manning isn't then it's a romantic idealist stuck up his own ass.
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    20 Nov '07 21:59
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    I see your point...but seriously, post a stupid poem...
  12. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    20 Nov '07 22:121 edit
    Originally posted by TheSkipper
    I see your point...but seriously, post a stupid poem...
    There was a young lady named Bright,
    Whose speed was far faster than light.
    She went out one day,
    In a relative way,
    And returned the previous night!

    -Reginald Buller
  13. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    20 Nov '07 22:13
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    The child within you?
    I see, the poem is a call to anarchy.
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    20 Nov '07 22:54
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    So, if I read this prayer right........................(swiss)


    RESPONSE-----

    ............you didn't
    Thanks for the detailed response.
  15. Standard memberknightmeister
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    21 Nov '07 00:101 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    I see, the poem is a call to anarchy.
    In a way, yes. Infact , definitely ...except not the kind of anarchy you have in mind....more of a revolution really

    BTW - It's a prayer not a poem
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