04 Nov 05
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageAt first blush, I'd say because they are exceedingly difficult words to spell correctly.
These are Early Christian doctrines expounded by Origen (http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/origen.htm -- courtesy of Halitose).
Why have these sane, intelligent ideas seemingly been abandoned to all intents and purposes by modern Christians?
A second speculation might be that the Nicene gangstas decided these particular Platonic principles might not fit the program of unredeemability if not converted. I'm sure Eusebius et al didn't like the idea of unpaid Restoration.
Thirdly, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Please continue.
04 Nov 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI wouldn't say that all his ideas have been abandoned by all modern christians. Some of his reasoning is quite appealing to me. The two that you specifically highlighted are real tough nuts to crack.
These are Early Christian doctrines expounded by Origen (http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/origen.htm -- courtesy of Halitose).
Why have these sane, intelligent ideas seemingly been abandoned to all intents and purposes by modern Christians?
Apokatastasis just doesn't have enough Biblical backing for me to jump healong into.
Origen emphasised Metempsychosis as integral to Apokatastasis because you need the reincarnation process to progress towards purity and goodness. His was a melding of classical Greek thought and Christianity.
I'm sure you know what the orthodox christian perspective has always been on reincarnation:
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
05 Nov 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageSimply because Christ expressly affirmed the existence of Hell. So, no matter how well-intentioned Origen was, these doctrines were simply not Christian.
Hell is part of what this is about--Origen maintained that no such thing exists. Why do Christians exclude that part of the good news today?
05 Nov 05
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Originally posted by lucifershammerThe root meaning of the English word "hell" simply means "the grave". Nobody disputes the existence of death.
Simply because Christ expressly affirmed the existence of Hell. So, no matter how well-intentioned Origen was, these doctrines were simply not Christian.
Jesus used figurative rather than literal language. Think of the parables. So what he (reportedly) said has to be interpreted. Consider, for example, the interpretation offered here:
http://www.comparative-religion.com/articles/jesus_hell.php
I have a sneaking suspicion that the idea of Hell kind of adds spice to your life, turns you on a bit...you want it to exist.
You live in Error; you Gnow Gnothing.