Originally posted by menace71
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.”
Eternity means What G-man? Can't be created if he lived in the days of eternity which means forever as Forever means without beginning and if this Ruler had a beginning then eternity can't apply to this ruler !!
Manny
Well I'm not going to get back into this with you Manny. I know no matter what the scriptures say about Jesus being a creation which it cleary says in your Bible even by Jesus himself, you either refuse to see it or you have been blinded so that you can't, so to you it really doesn't matter what I say, does it?
But for others here I'll respond with this scripture that again is in your Bible that is cleary speaking of Jesus:
Proverbs 8:22-31
Good News Translation (GNT)
22 “The Lord created me first of all,
the first of his works, long ago.
23 I was made in the very beginning,
at the first, before the world began.
24 I was born before the oceans,
when there were no springs of water.
25 I was born before the mountains,
before the hills were set in place,
26 before God made the earth and its fields
or even the first handful of soil.
27 I was there when he set the sky in place,
when he stretched the horizon across the ocean,
28 when he placed the clouds in the sky,
when he opened the springs of the ocean
29 and ordered the waters of the sea
to rise no further than he said.
I was there when he laid the earth's foundations.
30 I was beside him like an architect,[a]
I was his daily source of joy,
always happy in his presence—
31 happy with the world
and pleased with the human race.
So is this speaking of some everyday angel? A human? God himself?
No... this is only speaking of God's son "Jesus" who as the Bible says, is his Father's "only begotten and created" son Jesus that had a beginning which would mean at some time in the very distant past did not exist unlike his Father Jehovah who has always existed and had no beginning.
So either you have to believe this scripture and many others that explain Jesus as being a creation or you don't. You have made your decision that he wasn't created in order to support the trinity and that is fine for you and your buddies.
But the Bible completely disagrees with this paganistic theory and that puts you very far from the Bible's truths................