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Originally posted by divegeesterIt seems obvious that the JWs would answer that question with ....
The key questions in this are the ones Jesus asked Peter "who do men say that I am?" And "who do you say that I am?"
There are also some fundamental irrefutable truths to consider:
Jesus accepted worship/was worshiped
Angels are not to be worshipped
In Jesus dwelt the FULLNESS of the godhead in bodily form
Also the scripture I posted earlier, wh ...[text shortened]... at my response is when I'm asked "who do you say that I am?" And it won't be "you are an angel".
"You ae the archangel Michael. That is why we do not bow down to worship you. We don't worship false gods or angels."
03 Feb 14
Originally posted by RJHindsYour comments are getting silly, you do know that don't you?
It seems obvious that the JWs would answer that question with ....
"You ae the archangel Michael. That is why we do not bow down to worship you. We don't worship false gods or angels."
And no we don't not worship Jesus. If you do you are going against his own commands to worship "only his Father in heaven", aren't you?
03 Feb 14
Originally posted by divegeesterWhere did Jesus say for anyone to worship him? No comments needed just the scriptures please...
The key questions in this are the ones Jesus asked Peter "who do men say that I am?" And "who do you say that I am?"
There are also some fundamental irrefutable truths to consider:
Jesus accepted worship/was worshiped
Angels are not to be worshipped
In Jesus dwelt the FULLNESS of the godhead in bodily form
Also the scripture I posted earlier, wh ...[text shortened]... at my response is when I'm asked "who do you say that I am?" And it won't be "you are an angel".
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Originally posted by galveston75I didn't day he said that, I said he was worshiped. Matt 28.9 for an obvious example, but there are many others.
Where did Jesus say for anyone to worship him? No comments needed just the scriptures please...
I wonder how Matt 28.9 is translated in your JW version of the bible...
Edit: just looked it up LOL. Actually it's not funny. If you are going to move the goal posts there really is no point discussing scriptures.
03 Feb 14
Originally posted by galveston75Well, I do know I am right and you just confirmed it.
Your comments are getting silly, you do know that don't you?
And no we don't not worship Jesus. If you do you are going against his own commands to worship "only his Father in heaven", aren't you?
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Hply! Holy! Holy!
03 Feb 14
Originally posted by divegeesterBeing worshipped and allowing oneself to be worshipped are two different things......
I didn't day he said that, I said he was worshiped. Matt 28.9 for an obvious example, but there are many others.
I wonder how Matt 28.9 is translated in your JW version of the bible...
Edit: just looked it up LOL. Actually it's not funny. If you are going to move the goal posts there really is no point discussing scriptures.
Matthew 28:9
9 And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance* to him.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003293?q=obeisance&p=par
03 Feb 14
Originally posted by RJHindsLol.... you really don't care about being truthful with your worship do you? You just want to be right in your own eyes. How sad that it's that important to you to be willing to give up a true relationship with God.
Well, I do know I am right and you just confirmed it.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Hply! Holy! Holy!
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03 Feb 14
Originally posted by galveston75Your version of the bible is different to all the mainstream versions so there is little point in comparing scriptures to seek truth, is there. Ultimately we serve different gods and we each follow a different "Jesus", so we shall never find common ground.
Being worshipped and allowing oneself to be worshipped are two different things......
Matthew 28:9
9 And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance* to him.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003293?q=obeisance&p=par
Some here may seek to find mutual compatibility with you on certain aspects of this topic, but for me the Jehovah's Witness doctrines are so erroneous and so distasteful spiritually that I cannot, even for the sake of exploring these ideas, acquiesce the truth.
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03 Feb 14
Originally posted by menace71I am surprised that would believe this Manny. "Jesus is an archangel but not an angel"? I looked at that link, the page is so long, does it really require that much research to attempt to show that Jesus is Michael. The writer makes huge assumptions (the same ones the JWs do) based on ambiguous scriptures such as the "with the voice of an archangel" one.
Jesus is indeed Michael the archangel but this does not mean that Jesus was an angel at all. It means the Captain of the host. Jesus is the commander of the host of angels. I'm read the link I posted and it makes sense. The JWs are right in a partial sense but not completely.
Manny
Here is something to consider; when you look across the various so called Christian denominations, sects, cults from down the ages and also the 'trendy' movements of today and you consider where their error centres itself, it is always on the deity, identity, authority or the name of Jesus Christ.
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Originally posted by galveston75ah yes, its one of the special instances where the eastern salutation to do obeisance suddenly becomes an act of worship in the case of Jesus.
Being worshipped and allowing oneself to be worshipped are two different things......
Matthew 28:9
9 And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance* to him.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003293?q=obeisance&p=par
Jesus seems to have magical effects on scripture, he can be of the creation and not a created entity at the same time, he can change indefinite predicate nouns into definite ones, he can be a firstborn of all creation but not of progeny, he can come with an archangels voice but not be an archangel,
his effect on scripture is miraculous, its only a matter of time before he rewrites the Bible entirely.
03 Feb 14
Originally posted by divegeesterActually Jesus made his fathers name known, infact, he prayed,
I am surprised that would believe this Manny. "Jesus is an archangel but not an angel"? I looked at that link, the page is so long, does it really require that much research to attempt to show that Jesus is Michael. The writer makes huge assumptions (the same ones the JWs do) based on ambiguous scriptures such as the "with the voice of an archangel" one ...[text shortened]... rror centres itself, it is always on the deity, identity, authority or the name of Jesus Christ.
Our father in heaven, hollowed be your name (not hallowed be my name)
let your will take place (not my will)
and
Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you; but I have come to know you, and these have come to know that you sent me forth. And I have made your name known to them and will make it known
another occasion where the fathers name miraculously becomes the sons name, wow, really wow, Jesus effect on scripture really is miraculous.
03 Feb 14
Originally posted by divegeesterI would rather applaud Mannys objectivity and open minded approach, its truly refreshing.
I am surprised that would believe this Manny. "Jesus is an archangel but not an angel"? I looked at that link, the page is so long, does it really require that much research to attempt to show that Jesus is Michael. The writer makes huge assumptions (the same ones the JWs do) based on ambiguous scriptures such as the "with the voice of an archangel" one ...[text shortened]... rror centres itself, it is always on the deity, identity, authority or the name of Jesus Christ.