movement to atheism

@kazetnagorra said
It's literally impossible to "see the supernatural through science." The things we can see with science are by definition not supernatural.

Do you think science rules out the supernatural or it is completely unrelated to the
supernatural, so one has nothing to do with the other?

@kazetnagorra said
It's literally impossible to "see the supernatural through science." The things we can see with science are by definition not supernatural.

You don't have to see the supernatural only the results that may lead you to the
conclusion it was involved. You suppose a natural cause for events you cannot see,
and when those types of explanations fail, you don't throw away your belief in the
natural causes. By faith you believe you'll figure it out later, you reject out of hand
the possibility that natural causes are incapable in some areas.

@kellyjay said
Suggesting something isn't science because it has a supernatural element to is
also a fantasy, setting up the universe to only look one way by your own design
is ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

When has this ever happened?

So called supernatural events have been investigated for centuries.

@wolfgang59 said
When has this ever happened?

So called supernatural events have been investigated for centuries.

Such as?
I'm not speaking of ghosts in terms of supernatural events.
There are not too many things along those lines that interest me as much as the
beginning of all things. You think when applied and looked at with scientific
methods, evidence for a supernatural reality can be found? If not will all such
attempts merely be bogus because science cannot support such claims?

@wolfgang59 said
When has this ever happened?

So called supernatural events have been investigated for centuries.

The information found in life that causes life to work as it does is being credited
for something more than natural causes. This doesn't even have reach the level of
the supernatural, but is being fought as if it does.

@kellyjay said
Do you think science rules out the supernatural or it is completely unrelated to the
supernatural, so one has nothing to do with the other?

On the previous page I wrote this:

Empirical science has, from the very beginning, relied exclusively on what is measurable, hence excluding the supernatural. It has not been "redefined," nor does empirical science "reject the possibility of God" or any other supernatural deity or phenomenon.

Was it unclear?

@kellyjay said
So you agree with what I said about circular reasoning?

No.

@kellyjay said
🙂 LOL you really do grasp my point!

Why do you feel the need to commandeer and misuse the word "science" for the purposes of your proselytizing?

@fmf said
Why do you feel the need to commandeer and misuse the word "science" for the purposes of your proselytizing?

How am I miss using it?

@kazetnagorra said
On the previous page I wrote this:

Empirical science has, from the very beginning, relied exclusively on what is measurable, hence excluding the supernatural. It has not been "redefined," nor does empirical science "reject the possibility of God" or any other supernatural deity or phenomenon.

Was it unclear?

If you say it doesn't rule it out so it is possible I'm in agreement.

@kellyjay said
How am I miss using it?

You are applying it to the "knowledge" you claim you obtain from the faith you have in supernatural causality.

@kellyjay said
How am I miss using it?

Why do you feel the need to commandeer the word "science" for the purposes of proselytizing your religious faith?

@kellyjay said
Such as?
I'm not speaking of ghosts in terms of supernatural events.
There are not too many things along those lines that interest me as much as the
beginning of all things. You think when applied and looked at with scientific
methods, evidence for a supernatural reality can be found? If not will all such
attempts merely be bogus because science cannot support such claims?

Your train of thought is rather fragmented.
Can you please answer questions and then ask one question in response?

Thanks.

@kellyjay said
The information found in life that causes life to work as it does is being credited
for something more than natural causes. This doesn't even have reach the level of
the supernatural, but is being fought as if it does.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

@kellyjay said
How am I miss using it?

Miss Using is not here.