Originally posted by FabianFnasI dont know of any Christians who believe that. What religion are you referring to?
Many religious people believe that the 21 of December 2012 will be the last day on earth and the day they will meet their creator. They will be very disappointed the morning the 22 December. I'm glad that I'm not religious.
Originally posted by Rajk999You just have to be religious to believe in this dooms-days talk, don't you think?
I dont know of any Christians who believe that. What religion are you referring to?
Christians also believe in dooms-day, don't they? Perhaps not at 2012, but still eventually? Then why not 2012?
Originally posted by FabianFnasChristians dont believe in doomsday.
You just have to be religious to believe in this dooms-days talk, don't you think?
Christians also believe in dooms-day, don't they? Perhaps not at 2012, but still eventually? Then why not 2012?
They believe that Christ will return and change the world .. not end the world.
Originally posted by Rajk999No, I cannot, I never read Revelation, it's too fantasy for my taste. I get nightmares from them. These visions looks like a mad mans vision, or a grave drug addicteds visions. Something must be wrong with this guy to wrote this. But it is in the bible, and therefore some christians believes blindly in it. The Revelations is one of the reasons I keep my bible out of reach from children.
Please quote the chapter and verse in Revelation.
But you can? Give me some refs and I'll read those parts. I stay away from the others, of course.
Originally posted by FabianFnasOk .. you said Revelation has that. I did not. So I cannot help you as to where it is in the Bible. If you want to know the truth about anything you need to read it yourself and not listen to heresay and third party opinions.
No, I cannot, I never read Revelation, it's too fantasy for my taste. I get nightmares from them. These visions looks like a mad mans vision, or a grave drug addicteds visions. Something must be wrong with this guy to wrote this. But it is in the bible, and therefore some christians believes blindly in it. The Revelations is one of the reasons I keep my b ...[text shortened]... you can? Give me some refs and I'll read those parts. I stay away from the others, of course.
Originally posted by Rajk999Okay, not Revelations then. What do your bible say about Matthew 13:49 ?
Ok .. you said Revelation has that. I did not. So I cannot help you as to where it is in the Bible. If you want to know the truth about anything you need to read it yourself and not listen to heresay and third party opinions.
"So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
My bible says "end of the world" (vid världens slut), so this is how I understand "end of the age". Meaning end of the world? Was Matthew wrong? The word is from Jesus himself, but that's only hearsay, of course.
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou initially said :
Okay, not Revelations then. What do your bible say about Matthew 13:49 ?
"So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
My bible says "end of the world" (vid världens slut), so this is how I understand "en ...[text shortened]... ld? Was Matthew wrong? The word is from Jesus himself, but that's only hearsay, of course.
... everyone believing in the correct way will "come home to god in heaven", and the rest will die?
Now you quote Matt .. .."So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”
Any 5 year old can tell you that you have grossly misinterpreted the Bible.
If you are really interested in understanding the Bible then you would not do that. Unfortunately I know that you are an atheist and you are only interested in discrediting the Bible and what it says. So like I have said so many times before I dont throw the pearls of the Bible for the swine of the atheist world to trod over them. So end of discussion.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Funny you should compare me with a 5 years old. AS most of 5 years olds cannot read, then some ohter has to tell them the 49th verse. Does that compare do you think? Is it this you base your christian retorics on?
You initially said :
... everyone believing in the correct way will "come home to god in heaven", and the rest will die?
Now you quote Matt .. .."So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” [ arls of the Bible for the swine of the atheist world to trod over them. So end of discussion.
I did a quick research, gave you the first ref I found, and you complain? Please...
So tell me how you interprete "the end of the age"? And tell me how you interprete "the wicked from among the righteous" if not "those who have the right beliefs from those who have not".
If I ask, then I expect to have annswers from those who know, and can explain. If you are not in that category, then keep off, you don't help.
If you further try to insult those who ask, then you show a really bad example of a True Christian.
You think I am an atheist? Why do you think that? Because I dare to ask things and just not take things fror granted as every fundamentalist would do? No, I tell you that, I'm not a fundamentalist. I think. I use my brains.
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou are asking to discredit Christianity, not to know or understand the Bible.
Funny you should compare me with a 5 years old. AS most of 5 years olds cannot read, then some ohter has to tell them the 49th verse. Does that compare do you think? Is it this you base your christian retorics on?
I did a quick research, gave you the first ref I found, and you complain? Please...
So tell me how you interprete "the end of the age"? A ...[text shortened]... alist would do? No, I tell you that, I'm not a fundamentalist. I think. I use my brains.
Good luck to you. Hopefully someone else has the time to help you.
Originally posted by Rajk999Why do you even take time to write a posting, when you don't answer my questions? I ask because I want to know. Not to be insulted.
You are asking to discredit Christianity, not to know or understand the Bible.
Good luck to you. Hopefully someone else has the time to help you.
I just think you don't know the answer.
Do I have to be offensive in order to be a christian?
Originally posted by FabianFnasI dont engage atheists in bible discussions. Good luck to you.
Why do you even take time to write a posting, when you don't answer my questions? I ask because I want to know. Not to be insulted.
I just think you don't know the answer.
Do I have to be offensive in order to be a christian?
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Originally posted by Rajk999So why are you hear? You persist talking with atheists, because you are so weak in your faith that you are near to be one youself, right?
I dont engage atheists in bible discussions. Good luck to you.
You are not very Christian like, are you? Jesus wouldn't be proud of you. He would answer every question from those who wants to know.
You just want to insult, and that's all. Something to build you religion upon, eh?
You're just a mere troll.