Originally posted by RJHindsAnd he never said he would know, did he? But even if he didn't know because he was in the flesh but if he was once God himself as you say, he would have known before he came to earth right? Does one part of the trinity God keep secrets from the other parts?
I believe He was speaking from His inferior position at the time,
having become flesh. Now He does know for now he has the
glory He shared with the father and Holy Spirit in the beginning.
And all authority in heaven and earth has been given to Him.
So if he did truly know at one time but now didn't as a man when he spoke this verse, why even make this statement? It completly makes no sense.
You can play with ideas and give your opinion but the scripture clearly says he does not know and he did not say that he would know once he returned to heaven. Don't add what is not there.
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Originally posted by galveston75Do you believe the human brain is capable of storing all knowledge in the
And he never said he would know, did he? But even if he didn't know because he was in the flesh but if he was once God himself as you say, he would have known before he came to earth right? Does one part of the trinity God keep secrets from the other parts?
So if he did truly know at one time but now didn't as a man when he spoke this verse, why even m ...[text shortened]... nd he did not say that he would know once he returned to heaven. Don't add what is not there.
universe? Can it store all the knowledge of God? What did Jesus mean when
He asks the Father to restore the glory he had with Him in the beginning?
If one is given all authority in heaven and earth, wouldn't that include the
authority to know all things?
Originally posted by FabianFnasI love it when atheists purport to tell Christians what is "Christian-like".
So why are you hear? You persist talking with atheists, because you are so weak in your faith that you are near to be one youself, right?
You are not very Christian like, are you? Jesus wouldn't be proud of you. He would answer every question from those who wants to know.
You just want to insult, and that's all. Something to build you religion upon, eh?
You're just a mere troll.
How hypocritical can you get?
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Originally posted by SuzianneIf someone claims to adhere to a certain code of behaviour and then breaks it do you have to
I love it when atheists purport to tell Christians what is "Christian-like".
How hypocritical can you get?
also follow the same code to call them out as hypocritical?
Not being able to speak for anyone else, but I wont ever try to tell a Christian what their faith is
(although I may point out that the bible might contradict what they believe Christianity to be)
because it's their faith not mine and they get to define what they believe in.
But if they claim to follow a certain code and then don't, is it hypocritical for me to point that out if
I see it?
So, in answer to your (rhetorical I am sure) question as to how hypocritical can you get....
A lot more than that.
Originally posted by googlefudgeIt is best to keep your mouth shut if you do not know.
If someone claims to adhere to a certain code of behaviour and then breaks it do you have to
also follow the same code to call them out as hypocritical?
Not being able to speak for anyone else, but I wont ever try to tell a Christian what their faith is
(although I may point out that the bible might contradict what they believe Christianity to be) ...[text shortened]... (rhetorical I am sure) question as to how hypocritical can you get....
A lot more than that.
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Originally posted by SuzianneYes, some christian are very hypocritical, I agree.
I love it when atheists purport to tell Christians what is "Christian-like".
How hypocritical can you get?
When killing in the name of Christ, then it is okay. When killing without mention Christ, then it is bad. This is hypocritical.
The words of Jesus "Don't treat others the way you don't want to be treated yourself" are often forgotten by Christians. Also hypocritical.
Ah, you call me atheist? Do you know for sure that this is a fact?
Originally posted by FabianFnasI have been talking to you for several years. You said that you were an atheist.
Yes, some christian are very hypocritical, I agree.
When killing in the name of Christ, then it is okay. When killing without mention Christ, then it is bad. This is hypocritical.
The words of Jesus "Don't treat others the way you don't want to be treated yourself" are often forgotten by Christians. Also hypocritical.
Ah, you call me atheist? Do you know for sure that this is a fact?
Originally posted by googlefudgeThe case in point was between FF and me. Read the posts and see if you can figure out what code of conduct I broke.
If someone claims to adhere to a certain code of behaviour and then breaks it do you have to
also follow the same code to call them out as hypocritical?
Not being able to speak for anyone else, but I wont ever try to tell a Christian what their faith is
(although I may point out that the bible might contradict what they believe Christianity to be) ...[text shortened]... (rhetorical I am sure) question as to how hypocritical can you get....
A lot more than that.
Originally posted by Rajk999Can you show me where I've said that I really was an atheist?
I have been talking to you for several years. You said that you were an atheist.
You might be right saying that I've done that, but then I need the context when I said that.
Today I don't think I am a real atheist. But I don't know any lable that describes properly what I really am. I'm just a Fabianist. I don't know if there is another Fabianist, other than myself. I'm the one, I suppose.
Originally posted by FabianFnasDo you seriously expect me to remember when you said that in the last 4 years? And then go search for the post ?
Can you show me where I've said that I really was an atheist?
You might be right saying that I've done that, but then I need the context when I said that.
Today I don't think I am a real atheist. But I don't know any lable that describes properly what I really am. I'm just a Fabianist. I don't know if there is another Fabianist, other than myself. I'm the one, I suppose.
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Originally posted by Rajk999I know, it's more or less impossible. I give you that.
Do you seriously expect me to remember when you said that in the last 4 years? And then go search for the post ?
But it's also impossible for me.
During my time here at RHP, debating religious things, I have changed. I've learned. For me, debating is learning. Not learning to be JWer, not to be dasaist, but picking up things that actually makes sense from the ocean of topics discussed. I usually say that the winner in a debate is the one who learns something, not the one who is most insulting, or gets the last word, but the one learning something about the subject. And in numerous topics I've picked up details, attached them to my own puzzle of philosophy, and made it better than before.
I might have said that I am (was) an atheist. But I don't think I am that anymore. It's about definition, it's about details, but I've realized that it is not white or black, there are shades of gray as well. So the definition of 'atheist' is at the very end of a spectrum. I'm not there (anymore).
Originally posted by FabianFnasWell now thats weird. I remember you said it because I make it a point never to discuss Bible topics with atheists or to try to prove that God exists. Thats why I would remember you being one. And thats the reason why I did not proceed with the discussion in the other thread.
I know, it's more or less impossible. I give you that.
But it's also impossible for me.
During my time here at RHP, debating religious things, I have changed. I've learned. For me, debating is learning. Not learning to be JWer, not to be dasaist, but picking up things that actually makes sense from the ocean of topics discussed. I usually say that the ...[text shortened]... he definition of 'atheist' is at the very end of a spectrum. I'm not there (anymore).
But the weird part is suggesting that you were once an atheist but now your views are changing as a result of reading these forums. Thats interesting.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasDo you actually believe in the existence of a god or gods or deities of any kind?
Can you show me where I've said that I really was an atheist?
You might be right saying that I've done that, but then I need the context when I said that.
Today I don't think I am a real atheist. But I don't know any lable that describes properly what I really am. I'm just a Fabianist. I don't know if there is another Fabianist, other than myself. I'm the one, I suppose.
This is a yes or no question. (Which you are of course free not to answer, I pose it
because you yourself seem uncertain and I think this will help you clarify for yourself,
even if you don't want to share your answer.)
If you are uncertain, or haven't made up your mind whether a god exists or not,
then you don't currently actually believe in a god and thus are an atheist.
If you do believe in some sort of deity, even if you can't put your finger on quite
what that deity is, then you are a theist.
When properly defined they are mutually exclusive and exhaustive labels, you are
either one or the other, there is nothing else.
To be a theist you have to have a belief that a god or gods exist.
To be an atheist you don't have a belief that a god or gods exist.
As you can see there are no other options.