Nde

@mlb62 said
do NDE's prove there's a heaven ?

I don't think so. Not that I am aware of or convinced of, anyway. What they DO "prove" however, at least to my way of thinking, is that we still have a lot to find out and understand about human consciousness.

@fmf said
I don't think so. Not that I am aware of or convinced of, anyway. What they DO "prove" however, at least to my way of thinking, is that we still have a lot to find out and understand about human consciousness.

The oxygen-starved brain is a tricky thing.

@mlb62 said
do NDE's prove there's a heaven ?

Having someone rise from the dead does.

@kellyjay said
Having someone rise from the dead does.

Alas, we only have the various folklores of numerous religions that make claims about people rising from the dead.

@kellyjay said
Having someone rise from the dead does.

It does not prove there is a heaven. If it were reliably verified really to have happened, it would prove that a fresh cadaver can be resuscitated.

@moonbus said
It does not prove there is a heaven. If it were reliably verified really to have happened, it would prove that a fresh cadaver can be resuscitated.

Considering what He said before and after He rose from the dead, I’d say it very clear cut.

@kellyjay said
Having someone rise from the dead does.

Have you personally witnessed someone being “raised from the dead”?

@kellyjay said
Considering what He said before and after He rose from the dead, I’d say it very clear cut.

Considering that subsequent ‚authors‘ re-wrote and redacted the story, it isn‘t convincing at all.

@moonbus said
Considering that subsequent ‚authors‘ re-wrote and redacted the story, it isn‘t convincing at all.

You will have to show me a gospel writer who redacted the gospel.

@kellyjay said
You will have to show me a gospel writer who redacted the gospel.

Don't believe everything you read.

@indonesia-phil said
Don't believe everything you read.

Rejecting what I believe to be the truth would be foolish.

@kellyjay said
Rejecting what I believe to be the truth would be foolish.

Questioning the basis on which you assert it is the truth would be wise.

@kellyjay said
Rejecting what I believe to be the truth would be foolish.

Does this apply to QAnon Christians?

@kellyjay said
You will have to show me a gospel writer who redacted the gospel.

You will have to show me a gospel writer who was an eyewitness. Not one of them could have been present when Jesus was allegedly conceived virginally. So this is a fabrication.

Not one of the gospelers was present at Jesus’s interrogation by Pilate, so the whole “what is truth” dialog is a fabrication.

When Jesus allegedly appears after the crucifixion, the gospels say not once but twice “I’ll believe when when I see his hands” referring to the wounds left by spiking to the cross. That’s not how executees were pinioned in Roman times. The flesh tears out if a person is spiked through the hands and the person falls off the cross. Exhumed bodies from the period show that spikes were driven through the arms above the wrists. So whoever wrote the gospel didn’t actually see the risen Jesus. That bit of the gospel was evidently written later, in the 4th c., after that form of punishment had been outlawed and people no longer knew how it had been done. The resurrection part of the story is a fabrication. Didn’t really happen.

EDIT: all the altar pieces in the world depicting Jesus spiked through the palms are factually in error. All the people who ever exhibited stigmata with bleeding palms were deluded.