Originally posted by buckky Humans don't live by bread alone. Need or desire seems like splitting hairs. Whats irrational about wanting to be happy all the time ? Sometimes it seems like a dog chasing it's tail in the fact that constant happiness never appears to take place. Small moments of release from the contracted state we all inhabit is all we can hope for, but that still does not take away from the need or desire for more release into Bliss.
The verbs 'need' and 'want' have to be transmuted to one word:'need-want'. Only in this way can we approach God.
You could argue that some use science as a similar crutch. After all, just studying the truth behind our origins will NEVER answer what the meaning of it all is, however, for some it is enough just to know bits and peices of the puzzle instead of trying to get the big picture of what the puzzle actually is all about. They then often turn and deride those who try to peice together the missing peices of the puzzle.
Originally posted by Lord Shark I came up with a personal motto a while ago: eternal bliss now.
It was in response to the pass time people, including me, have of daydreaming sometimes in a wishful way. I just thought I'd take it to its logical conclusion.
So I'm totally in agreement with you when you hope there is a heaven and that you will be let in. Me too.
I disagree with ge ...[text shortened]... the term 'explanation' without even themselves noticing. Which is a neat trick actually.
Originally posted by TerrierJack Why should they not believe it? Try to be a happier person without wanting to be - get back to me on that. You can't get out of the box. You can walk around telling people that you're out of the box but you run the risk of being put in a real box (I won't name names.) Heaven (bliss) is a poor target (but the best a dumb animal can attain.) You have to a ...[text shortened]... it and you become egocentric, paranoid, and dangerous to others (again I won't name names.)
Let's look at how Merriam-Webster defines englightened:
1 : freed from ignorance and misinformation <an enlightened people> <an enlightened time> 2 : based on full comprehension of the problems involved <issued an enlightened ruling>
Let's take the simple case of an overweight person who tells himself that he's overweight because it's "genetic". Do he really comprehend the he overeats because he uses food as a source of comfort, substitute for love, etc. or is he deluding himself? He overindulges because he doesn't have control over his impulses. Is this rational?
What makes you believethat living without pleasure causes you to become "egocentric, paranoid, and dangerous to others"?
Originally posted by buckky Humans don't live by bread alone. Need or desire seems like splitting hairs. Whats irrational about wanting to be happy all the time ? Sometimes it seems like a dog chasing it's tail in the fact that constant happiness never appears to take place. Small moments of release from the contracted state we all inhabit is all we can hope for, but that still does not take away from the need or desire for more release into Bliss.
Seems to me that it's relatively easy to make a distinction between "need" and "desire". Do the overweight person reach for the piece of cheesecake really "need" it or does he merely "desire" it?
Take a step back. It is seeking to feel good that leads to most if not all the transgressions of man against man. Cravings overwhelm them and renders them incapable of rational thought. Is it rational to allow cravings to dictate one's thoughts and behavior?
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18 Jul '09 00:08
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