Nemesio coming out

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Nemesio: "Seriously, RBHILL, you need to come out of the mindless fundamentalism and embrace true
spirituality."

True Spirituality ? .... and what might that be ? Of course your own brand of whatever you're practising. You belong t ...[text shortened]... here he's standing. Nobody knows where you are standing, Nemesio.

That was uncalled for.

There is a point, however - what is the "true spirituality" Nemesio is exhorting RBHill to accept?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
True Spirituality ? .... and what might that be ? Of course your own brand of whatever you're practising.

Wrong. My spirituality doesn't rely on a monopoly on tradition. So, I would be equally
happy with spiritual Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, Jews, and so forth. You are projecting
on me a viewpoint which you hold, not I.

You belong to a church you don't even want to name. In my view that's plain cowardice .... or maybe it is a condition you have to obey. Like for instance if you join the Freemasons or Satan's church.

You may view it as cowardice, but I've explained my reasons and my point of view. You just
reject it.

For your information, Freemasons are not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion.
Neither is the vast majority of what they do a secret in any way. The only things which a
Freemason swears to keep secret from Profane (that is, non-Masons) is what they call the 'modes
of recognition,' which are the secret grips (or handshakes), signs (or hand gestures), or words.
They also keep certain elements of their ritual secret (most obviously, those elements which
involve using or teaching any of the modes of recognition). However, a great deal of it is perfectly
suited for discussion with Profane. And a Mason is not under any obligation to keep their affiliation
a secret, but they often choose to do so because of people, like you, who have an utterly
misguided view of that noble Fraternity.

By the way, I am not a Freemason; all of this information (and a great deal more) I have acquired
in conversations with active and dutiful Freemasons (one of whom is a regional instructor of
ritual for this area and is an expert on Freemasonry).

At least RBHILL says where he's standing. Nobody knows where you are standing, Nemesio.

Are you a priest, Ivanhoe? Tell us where you stand.

Nemesio

Originally posted by lucifershammer
That was uncalled for.

That's ok. I don't mind when Ivanhoe acts uncharitably towards me. It only further reveals
how distant he is from the Church which he claims to be a member of.

There is a point, however - what is the "true spirituality" Nemesio is exhorting RBHill to accept?

I didn't mean 'True Spirituality' in the sense that there is a singular and unique way in which
to understand the Divine. I do know that being a closed-minded, purposefully ignorant, judgmental
person is not 'true spirituality.' In many cases, as in RBHILL's, this is the product of a need to
have literal inerrancy -- an untenable position -- in order to understand God. I reject this, not only
because it is demonstrably untrue, but because I don't think that the Divine can be meaningfully
reduced to a finite set of words or concepts.

Nemesio

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
LMAO! Allow me to be the first to offer a prediction of this thread's great potential to blossom into rich and pure amusement.

Your prophecy has come to a beautiful fruition.

Originally posted by Nemesio
Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b] True Spirituality ? .... and what might that be ? Of course your own brand of whatever you're practising.

Wrong. My spirituality doesn't rely on a monopoly on tradition. So, I would be eq ...[text shortened]... ng. Nobody knows where you are standing, Nemesio.[/b]


Nemesio[/b]

I didn't ask for an expose on Freemasonry, but thanks anyway. I would appreciate though an expose on satan's church. Do you know anything about that ?

Nemesio: "Wrong. My spirituality doesn't rely on a monopoly on tradition. So, I would be equally
happy with spiritual Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, Jews, and so forth. You are projecting
on me a viewpoint which you hold, not I."

.... and what might that viewpoint be what I am projecting on you ?


Nemesio: "And a Mason is not under any obligation to keep their affiliation
a secret, but they often choose to do so because of people, like you, who have an utterly
misguided view of that noble Fraternity."

Exactly, they often choose to do so.

...... I have "an utterly misguided view of that noble Fraternity" ?

You have the gift of clairvoyance, my noble Nemesio.


Nemesio: "Are you a priest, Ivanhoe? Tell us where you stand."

No, I am not a priest. I am a lay Roman Catholic. I have no problem telling people where I stand. You however choose to be silent and secretive about your denomination or religious stances. Nobody knows where you stand, Elusive Nemesio.

By the way, you didn't explain what you mean when you talk about "True Spirituality". What does it entail ?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
I
No, I am not a priest. I am a lay Roman Catholic.

Whoohoo! I knew it!

Pardon me while I take a few minutes away from my computer to engage in a ritualistic "I told you so" dance.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Whoohoo! I knew it!

Pardon me while I take a few minutes away from my computer to engage in a ritualistic "I told you so" dance.

..... and who Dear Doctor told you I was ?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Whoohoo! I knew it!

Pardon me while I take a few minutes away from my computer to engage in a ritualistic "I told you so" dance.

By the way Dear Doctor, it would be exciting and entertaining to make a poll on what denomination, faith or whatever conviction The Elusive Nemesio is practising.

I'll give you one clue ..... it is very modern ..... very very modern indeed ...... lol .....

Originally posted by Nemesio
You know what is even more reliable?

RBHILL's reports of my coming out. That is the height of journalistic excellence. He did a lot
of 'undercover' work to deduce this.

I know I've been caught with my hand in the cookie jar!

Nemesio

Just keep your hands out of my 'cookie jar' please!

Unless you really know what you're doing...I might make an exception for an expert.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Whoohoo! I knew it!

Pardon me while I take a few minutes away from my computer to engage in a ritualistic "I told you so" dance.

I publically admit being wrong on this issue.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
I'll give you one clue ..... it is very modern ..... very very modern indeed ...... lol .....

RBHILL thinks I am a Roman Catholic.

You think I am a Deist (or the last time you took a public stab at it).

Darfius lumped me with the atheists a while ago (although I was
kind enough to steer him from this).

Ivanhoe, you need to find another hobby other than worrying what
religious tradition I practice. How about studying Christianity and
being better at that?

Nemesio

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Just keep your hands out of my 'cookie jar' please!

Unless you really know what you're doing...I might make an exception for an expert.

😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲

Originally posted by Nemesio
RBHILL thinks I am a Roman Catholic.

You think I am a Deist (or the last time you took a public stab at it).

Darfius lumped me with the atheists a while ago (although I was
kind enough to steer him from this).

Ivanhoe, you need to find another hobby other than worrying what
religious tradition I practice. How about studying Christianity and
being better at that?

Nemesio

Who says I am worrying ? I change my view .... you are an .... no, you're not a Christian because you made some very derogatory remarks about some aspects of the faith .... definitely no Christian.

You thought I was a Catholic priest ? Now that's what I call hilarious.
What made you think I was ?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
You thought I was a Catholic priest ? Now that's what I call hilarious. What made you think I was ?

I just got this vibe. I thought I heard sermons in utero in a
few of your posts. Doctor Scribbles will be razzing me about it for
some time to come.

Nemesio

Originally posted by ivanhoe

Who says I am worrying ? I change my view .... you are an .... no, you're not a Christian because you made some very derogatory remarks about some aspects of the faith .... definitely no Christian.

You thought I was a Catholic priest ? Now that's what I call hilarious.
What made you think I was ?

Ivanhoe, I thought you were a priest as well. Your command of Roman Catholic policy and teachings certainly has to be on the level of any priest.