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Originally posted by joe beyserummm, not convinced jojo, the science is sketchy at the very least, nor can one hardly describe it as natural, for the chances of the genetic code, being passed from one generation to the next through an act of homosexuality is nil!
I used to think that too, but whatever it is is more than just an alternate lifesyle choice.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI grew up with someone that ended up being gay. He played with the neighbor girls like he was a girl himself. They played girl games, made houses and he even talked like a girl. Other boys were playing baseball, scateboarding, etc... but he was just like a girl. I am not saying that is bad but it was very different. Another guy I know talks feminine. I knew him from childhood as well. They didn't just wake up in their early childhood and decide they were gay. Heck, I have known my relative long before he even knew what sex was.
ummm, not convinced jojo, the science is sketchy at the very least.
Originally posted by joe beyserYou made a comparison between two time periods - 2000 yrs ago and now. This requires your 'observation' to be from both periods - say visual observation now and observation via historical writings of 2000 yrs ago.
Ok what is it?
But your observation is only of now so your comment should really be that there are many gays around now, and not that there are more now than in the time of Christ.
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Originally posted by Rajk999You are right on that. The whole DNA thing is just a theory of mine. What I meant was that from observation now I tend to believe that people are born with this trait. If that is true, then it is just possible that there are more gay people today percapita.
You made a comparison between two time periods - 2000 yrs ago and now. This requires your 'observation' to be from both periods - say visual observation now and observation via historical writings of 2000 yrs ago.
But your observation is only of now so your comment should really be that there are many gays around now, and not that there are more now than in the time of Christ.
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Originally posted by joe beyserConsider the following points :
You are right on that. The whole DNA thing is just a theory of mine. What I meant was that from observation now I tend to believe that people are born with this trait. If that is true, then it is just possible that there are more gay people today percapita.
- more gays showing up around now could simply mean that society is more permissive now compared to long ago and has nothing to do with DNA.
- if gays are born with that trait now, then certainly they were born with it 5000 years ago when Sodom was destroyed.
Actually, where I live, gays are still persecuted and sidelined by society, so they tend not to be open about their sexuality.
Originally posted by Rajk999That could be right that society is more permissive today and homosexuality did exist 5000 years ago, but doesn't that also tend to lend creedence to the DNA theory? Why choose to be gay in a society that sidelines them? Makes it look like they can't help it to me.
Consider the following points :
- more gays showing up around now could simply mean that society is more permissive now compared to long ago and has nothing to do with DNA.
- if gays are born with that trait now, then certainly they were born with it 5000 years ago when Sodom was destroyed.
Actually, where I live, gays are still persecuted and sidelined by society, so they tend not to be open about their sexuality.
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Originally posted by joe beyserIn which case you have no evidence for your claim. I know of no evidence that human DNA has deteriorated in the last 2000 years, and it seems, neither do you.
I can only go by observation as I can't take a poll from folks that lived 2000 years ago.
Originally posted by joe beyserForm a purely Biblical standpoint, that fact that they 'cant help it' will not make that lifestyle acceptable.
That could be right that society is more permissive today and homosexuality did exist 5000 years ago, but doesn't that also tend to lend creedence to the DNA theory? Why choose to be gay in a society that sidelines them? Makes it look like they can't help it to me.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI read an article in New Scientist about this topic recently. Your appraisal of the science is correct in the sense that the causes of homosexuality are not completely known. However, there are many suggestive pieces of the puzzle.
ummm, not convinced jojo, the science is sketchy at the very least, nor can one hardly describe it as natural, for the chances of the genetic code, being passed from one generation to the next through an act of homosexuality is nil!
The idea that homosexuality cannot be described as natural because the chances of the genetic code, being passed from one generation to the next through an act of homosexuality is nil is both factually incorrect and fundamentally flawed in its logic.
Originally posted by joe beyserHomosexuality is a sin and its a waste of time to try to argue around that .. whether or not 'you can help' it is irrelevant. The desire to impregnate as many females as possible, is a desire thats hardwired into the DNA of all males of almost all species. So a man 'cant help it' to want to have sex with many women. But the Bible requires you to have sex with your wife only. Claiming sympathy for being adulterer/fornicator because you cant help it is pointless.
So what does that say about christianity in general? Will God himself sideline gays even if it isn't their fault?
Adultery is just as much a sin as homosexuality. King David commited adultery and murder and still was a favourite of God.
The answer to your question is that Christ looks at the whole person. We all sin but the good must outweigh the bad, by as wide a margin as you are able.