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    as part of his attachment to 'perspectivism' "That there are no facts only interpretations' ergo , everything is subjective.
    Do u agree or should we strive for objectivity otherwise from a subjective point of view nothing is true!
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    12 Feb '06 14:17
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    as part of his attachment to 'perspectivism' "That there are no facts only interpretations' ergo , everything is subjective.
    Do u agree or should we strive for objectivity otherwise from a subjective point of view nothing is true!
    When Nietzsche said that everything was subjective, was that an objective or subjective statement?
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    When Nietzsche said that everything was subjective, was that an objective or subjective statement?
    Those you dont teach , teach to fall the faster 'thus spoke zathustra'
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    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    Those you dont teach , teach to fall the faster 'thus spoke zathustra'
    That's your response to anything that you can't answer directly. Face it: Ninny had an axe to grind, and regardless the convolutions he went through, the message seeped out nonetheless.
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    12 Feb '06 14:36
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    That's your response to anything that you can't answer directly. Face it: Ninny had an axe to grind, and regardless the convolutions he went through, the message seeped out nonetheless.
    he had an axe to grind against hegemonic forms of culture as well false ideologies such as christianity yes its true
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    And look how he ended. Pity.
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    12 Feb '06 14:441 edit
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    And look how he ended. Pity.
    whats ur point i thought this forum was for serious discussion, the general forum is for humour
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    12 Feb '06 14:53
    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    whats ur point i thought this forum was for serious discussion, the general forum is for humour
    What do you think Nietzsche would say about people who use "ur" in place of "your"? I think he'd have nothing but derision for those people and say they were afflicted with a herd mentality. That's what I think.
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    What do you think Nietzsche would say about people who use "ur" in place of "your"? I think he'd have nothing but derision for those people and say they were afflicted with a herd mentality. That's what I think.
    I'd love to knnow what u think of the question in hand not on my typing....
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    Originally posted by Vladamir no1
    I'd love to knnow what u think of the question in hand not on my typing....
    And the question is...
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    13 Feb '06 02:50
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    And look how he ended. Pity.
    Nothing to do with his philosophy, though.
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    13 Feb '06 03:001 edit
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    That's your response to anything that you can't answer directly. Face it: Ninny had an axe to grind, and regardless the convolutions he went through, the message seeped out nonetheless.
    His basic axe to grind was at paradigms (mainly Christianity) that he felt were imminently doomed in the face of the enlightenment (the basis for his “God is dead, and we have killed him” aphorism). His fear was that the void would be filled with nihilistic confusion and despair. His principal prescription: amor fati. All the rest—the good, the bad and the ugly—spins around that, I think.

    Growing up in a German Lutheran family (his father and grandfather were Lutheran pastors) he did react against the “heaviness” of that particular environment. Hence: “I would believe only in a god who could dance. And when I saw my devil I found him serious, thorough, profound, and solemn: it was the spirit of gravity - through him all things fall.”

    His perspectivism was an insistence that no one has a “God’s-eye view” of truth—no “view from nowhere,” or everywhere, or even elsewhere. And we simply ought to recognize that as we proceed.
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    What do you think Nietzsche would say about people who use "ur" in place of "your"? I think he'd have nothing but derision for those people and say they were afflicted with a herd mentality. That's what I think.
    I think he'd have nothing but derision for those people and say they were afflicted with a herd mentality. That's what I think.

    You think right, I think.
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    Originally posted by vistesd
    Nothing to do with his philosophy, though.
    I disagree. Respectfully, of course, but disagree nonetheless. He was a miserable man, which was a direct result of his thinking. Unique? No, but that's beside the point. He certainly was more articulate and honest than most, but his thinking is what ultimately diverged his path.
    Logically, his end was misery.
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    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    I disagree. Respectfully, of course, but disagree nonetheless. He was a miserable man, which was a direct result of his thinking. Unique? No, but that's beside the point. He certainly was more articulate and honest than most, but his thinking is what ultimately diverged his path.
    Logically, his end was misery.
    I disagree. Respectfully, of course. 🙂

    The causes of N’s ultimate insanity are open to debate, and different scholars have reached different conclusions, none of which can be established for sure. One prominent view is that it was caused by syphilis.

    However, N had a lifelong history of physical maladies, including severe migraines starting at a young age. He also drove himself relentlessly (often writing 10+ hours per day despite his painful eyesight), in spite of his various ailments (one could argue that that was a result of his thinking). He may also have been manic-depressive. I tend to lean toward these as a combination of factors. I guess it is precisely opposite of your conclusion: i.e., I think that much of his worst thinking may have been the result of his misery.

    I do think that a severe "introversion" of thinking, coupled with emotional and physiological factors can lead to ill mental health.

    Interestingly, despite the biting vitriol of much of his “negative philosophy,” most commentators seem to report that in person he tended to be respectful and kind and (until his breakdown) coherent.

    My only point is this: I once read a commentator who heavily implied that, since Nietzsche ultimately went mad, all of his philosophy should be discounted—and that I think is unwarranted. But that’s not what you’re saying.

    EDIT: Hey, if we're not careful, you and I will actually get into a debate! 😉
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