Originally posted by sonhouse
That is totally true, we ARE our molecules, nothing more. We have some magnetic fields sticking out of our bodies and likewise with some electrical fields but that is not some magical spirit world, we essentially stop at the skin.

Originally posted by finnegan
[b]"That's why I made the point that it's not true that there are no biological differences between the sexes."
Sadly, the trivial observation that there are biological differences between the sexes - presumably including the fact they are different sexes - has no bearing on the issue of performance in chess, so your persistence in referring to these d ...[text shortened]... nd accused - there are no thought crimes on RHP to my knowledge so you are dealing in hyperbole.[/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Are you seriously trying to state that the sum of our experience can be reduced to a biological molecular level? Oh the folly of the materialist! No one has claimed that its anything to do with magic, That is simply a rather typical assumption.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
just for clarity and so we can have an informed debate. can you please list all the things (off the top of your head) that we experience that do not originate from our biological molecular level? please

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]I am not misrepresenting what you wrote. You need to take responsibility

you did misrepresent his words. you added an implication (that he was referring to female chess players) that was not there, then built an argument around it.[/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Another vain and rather transparent attempt to construct values that have not been explicitly expressed. No one has stated that we do not experience these things in our minds. If you can demonstrate where anyone has stated that we do not experience these things in our minds then please do so now. Personally I will not inflate your bouncy castle of ...[text shortened]... the sake of clarity can you tell us what it is about that statement that you fail to comprehend?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
wow, things got very defensive very quickly, its sunday morning, relax robbie.

[b] "No one has stated that we do not experience these things in our minds"

if you would care to reread my question, you will notice that i mention nothing of 'minds' i ask about the 'origins'. referring to where the 'experiences' you refer to below come from.

[b ...[text shortened]... ing to state that the sum of our experience can be reduced to a biological molecular level" [/b][/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am fed up of people making silly and dishonest arguments which attempt to utilise values that have not been explicitly expressed.

Fine you want to engage in semantics, its up to you. Tell us why making an examination of the origins of the biological electrochemical impulses of our mind explains why we create and appreciate art. If you will n ...[text shortened]... r level in an attempt to explain such phenomena is pure folly. I will hear your confession now.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am fed up of people making silly and dishonest arguments which attempt to utilise values that have not been explicitly expressed.

Fine you want to engage in semantics, its up to you. Tell us why making an examination of the origins of the biological electrochemical impulses of our mind explains why we create and appreciate art. If you will n ...[text shortened]... r level in an attempt to explain such phenomena is pure folly. I will hear your confession now.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Originally posted by stellspalfie
semantics? dishonest arguments? values that havent been expressed? what on earth are you on about.

you said this - [b] "Are you seriously trying to state that the sum of our experience can be reduced to a biological molecular level"

i was simply asking - where else do these 'experiences' originate from? i didnt mention the mind, im referring ...[text shortened]... you explain to me where (if not our molecular/chemical make up) do these experiences come from?[/b]

Originally posted by RJHinds
The [b]EVIL will not confess, for there is EVIL in there thoughts continually. They can not break the spell of the strong delusion of the theory of EVIL-lution.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(2 Thessalonians 2:11)

😏[/b]

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
They originate from many avenues, experience, which itself is entirely external to the mind. from observation and learning, from imitation of others, from original thought through the process of reflection and meditation, from what we read. Our thoughts are more than the summation of molecular activity in the mind. It may be the vehicle which carries the message but it does not form the content. Now you will answer the question.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I know Jonah Hinds but we must speak in terns that they can not only understand by accept. Rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
an examination of chemical impulses on its own, will not explain 'why' we create art, it will only explain the thought process and the feelings it creates.

to understand 'why' we would need to include various other scientific disciplines, such as psychologists, sociologists, biologists and mathematicians (amongst many others).

So in short, it cannot be explained or at least, you cannot explain it.

Originally posted by RJHinds

So in short, it cannot be explained or at least, you cannot explain it.