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Originally posted by vistesd
That works.

It works, but is scarcely sufficient. For it presupposes the primacy of both private property and the individual household. Both of which are limiting factors that prevent the self from merging fully with the Whole. They are the primary ingredients of a self-enforced, atomistic fallen state from grace.

Originally posted by kiki46
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=tvagoD8T0u4&NR=1

It does have a title, namely "no title"!

At the Midnight Cry

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J P Moreland on Why I Am Not An Atheist

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"Job's Recovery" Job 42:10-16 New International Version (NIV)

10 "After Job had prayed for his friends, the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver[a] and a gold ring.

12 The Lord blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.

16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so Job died, an old man and full of years."

Footnotes: [a] Job 42:11 "Hebrew him a kesitah; a kesitah was a unit of money of unknown weight and value."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+42%3A1-6%2CJob+42%3A10-17&version=NIV

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"Job's Recovery" Job 42:10-16 New International Version (NIV)

10 "After Job had prayed for his friends, the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the L

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+42%3A1-6%2CJob+42%3A10-17&version=NIV[/b]

Please notice that it doesn't say Job now had a two new wives.

God did not consider the wife of a man as property in the same way as oxen, sheep, cattle, etc.

The nor did the number of sons and daughters increase -

Job 1:2 - "and seven sons and three daughters were born to him."

These died in Satan's attack -

Job 1:18,19 " While this one was still speaking, another came and said, You sons and your daughters were eating and drinking wine in the house of their firstborn brother; and suddenly a great wind came from beyond the desert and struck the four corners of the house, so that it fell upon the young people and they died ..."

At the end of Job's long ordeal God restores the exact number of children and not more.

Job 42:13 " And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers. "

It says that "the Lord blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the former"

Compare 1:3 with 42:12-15.

Job doubled from 7,000 sheep to 14,000 sheep.
Job doubled from 3,000 camels to 6,000 camels.
Job doubled from 500 yoke of oxen to 1,000 yoke of oxen.
Job doubled from 500 donkeys to 1,000 donkeys.

The number of children did not double.
The number of daughters did not double.
And we guess he still had the same wife [singular].

This little note is for the posters liking to accuse God in the Old Testament of sexism or that God treated women as men's chattel property. Clearly, this oldest book in the Bible contradicts that accusation.

Notice also that the daughters were given equal inheritance rights along with the male sons.

"their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers."

Originally posted by sonship
Please notice that it doesn't say Job now had a two new wives.

God did not consider the wife of a man as property in the same way as oxen, sheep, cattle, etc.

The nor did the number of sons and daughters increase -

Job 1:2 - "and seven sons and three daughters were born to him."

These died in Satan's attack -

Job 1:18,19 " While this o ...[text shortened]... ted them an inheritance along with their brothers."

"Compare 1:3 with 42:12-15."

Job 42:12-15 (KJV)

"12 So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.

13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.

14 And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch.

15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren."

Originally posted by rwingett
It starts with an 'H'.

If you've paid attention to my previous posts in this forum, it should be obvious. I've brought them up numerous times in the past.

I'm sure that there are more than the 42 000 Hutterites who live in this harmonious way. it's just not real newsworthy