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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Sigh i have not termed them an abomination, i have merely presented the Biblical perspective.
Quite clearly you would put all gays in hell if it was in your power, such is your underlying hatred of them.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are getting personal, perhaps due to a lack of potency of any contrary arguments, which is fine.
as you are only reflecting the bible rather than your own opinion. does the bible say that h.i.v. is a punishment for homosexuality?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are getting personal, perhaps due to a lack of potency of any contrary arguments, which is fine.
Does the bible say that hotel owners should turn what they see as "sinners" away?

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Originally posted by sonhouse
Quite clearly you would put all gays in hell if it was in your power, such is your underlying hatred of them.
ummm i dont actually profess belief in hell, how is it that I would put them all in a place of literal torment called hell? If i dont actually believe in it myself? Are you sure that you have not tried relaxation music, there are some good ones on youtube, it will do you good, you do sound rather bitter and angry and your anger it seems may be clouding your judgement.

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
as you are only reflecting the bible rather than your own opinion. does the bible say that h.i.v. is a punishment for homosexuality?
no it doesn't use the term HIV, although it does say this,

(Romans 1:26, 27) That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.

what that means at present i cannot say, but its interesting and noteworthy never the less.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Are you sure that you have not tried relaxation music, there are some good ones on youtube, it will do you good, you do sound rather bitter and angry and your anger it seems may be clouding our judgement.
Don't be getting personal now, robbie. 😀

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Originally posted by FMF
Does the bible say that hotel owners should turn what they see as "sinners" away?
I am not sure hat principles may affect a hoteliers decision to refuse entry to gays. I have not looked at the matter in any great depth, merely noted what has transpired in the poplar media with regard to prosecutions.

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Originally posted by FMF
Don't be getting personal now, robbie. 😀
Ill try 🙂

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not sure hat principles may affect a hoteliers decision to refuse entry to gays. I have not looked at the matter in any great depth, merely noted what has transpired in the poplar media with regard to prosecutions.
Do you condone hotel owners turning gay guests away?

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Originally posted by FMF
Do you condone hotel owners turning gay guests away?
Its entirely up to them.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no it doesn't use the term HIV, although it dies say this,

(Romans 1:26, 27) That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature;  and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust towar ...[text shortened]...

what that means at present i cannot say, but its interesting and noteworthy never the less.
so you have no connection between h.i.v and gods will?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its entirely up to them.
In accordance with your understanding of the Bible, would you turn gays away if you owned a hotel?

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Originally posted by stellspalfie
so you have no connection between h.i.v and gods will?
no i have shown you what i have, if you think that there is no connection, then so be it, I cannot say for sure until i understand what the import of the text is. I dint think we have ever construed that gays are being punished although the principle that you reap what you sow, in other words, they contracted HIV because of their own actions. This I think will stand scrutiny for its rather self evident.

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Originally posted by FMF
In accordance with your understanding of the Bible, would you turn gays away if you owned a hotel?
I think i would give them separate rooms the same if i suspected that a couple were unmarried.

This raises a rather interesting principle FMF, here it is in scripture,

(Romans 2:21, 22) do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching “Do not steal,” do you steal? You, the one saying “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You, the one expressing abhorrence of the idols, do you rob temples

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think i would give them separate rooms.
According to your understanding of the Bible, in what other ways are you permitted and/or instructed to discriminate against gays?