Of all the world's evils, lying is the least of them.

Originally posted by ahosyney
again it is not, and your previous post is the prove!!!

When I said I'm more civilized than you , you just proved it!!!!

Sure thing you pure dead brilliance😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Oh, my poor ahosyney, this is tragic.

You must really feel like an unhumanly tormented One-Thousand Blossomed Lotus deep down in the sewers-like filthyness of them Canadians, who in addition they stand not the slightest chance, ever, to conceive that the right spirit is the Holy Malt instead of this rye of theirs that smells like cheap aftershave aft ...[text shortened]... try, where at last you will have the chance to study hard and to become a real, brave Salafist😵

It is really a mistake to talk to you!!!

I apologize for every one who read my response to that person! I should have respected myself enough to understand that it is just a waste of time!!

Bosse de Nage, please accept my apology for spoiling your thread with this non-sense. It is my fault that I replied to him. I should know that he has no respect to anything to respect others!!!!

Originally posted by twhitehead
Actually to put in proper context, it was I that made the accusation that Rajk999 was lying to try to portray Muslims as evil. He more or less admitted to deliberately stretching the truth on the matter.
His excuse was the title of this thread.

Considering that he was deliberately inciting hatred through the use of lies I would agree with Bosse de Nage that it is self evidently not the least of the worlds evils.

I just want express my appreciation to your honesty and your respect. Although we didn't agree in many of our discussion but you always showed respect to others which is something missing by many in this place. I wish the best!!

Originally posted by ahosyney
It is really a mistake to talk to you!!!

I apologize for every one who read my response to that person! I should have respected myself enough to understand that it is just a waste of time!!

Bosse de Nage, please accept my apology for spoiling your thread with this non-sense. It is my fault that I replied to him. I should know that he has no respect to anything to respect others!!!!

Poor ahosyney,
you are really so badly treated by this miserable atheist black beetle, un unbeliever incapable to conceive, ever, the essense of killing and attacking people (under specific circumstances, that is) who dare to not align themselfs to the divine bubbling of the religionist personages that they lead you by the nose:'(

Originally posted by ahosyney
again it is not, and your previous post is the prove!!!

When I said I'm more civilized than you , you just proved it!!!!

Of course you are civilised -but solely as you in preson you perceive it.
The following reports are just another prove of the outstanding level of your personal civilisation.

1.
"Amnesty International
Saudi Arabia: Flogging/ Legal concern
PUBLIC
AI Index: MDE 23/013/2007
16 March 2007
UA 69/07 Flogging/ legal concern
SAUDI ARABIA A 19-year-old woman (name not known)
At least five men (names not known)

A 19-year-old woman, known only as “The Girl from al-Qatif”, and at least five men, are at risk of imminent flogging. Amnesty International believes that the use of corporal punishment constitutes cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment.
The woman, from the city of al-Qatif in eastern Saudi Arabia, was convicted of being alone in private with a man who was not a member of her immediate family (an offence known as Khilwa under Shariah law), after reportedly meeting with a male companion in 2006. The man, whose name is not known, was convicted on the same charge. They have both been sentenced by a court in al-Qatif city to 90 lashes.
According to reports, shortly after the woman met the male companion, the two were kidnapped at knifepoint by a gang of seven men. The companion was attacked by the gang, but was then released. The woman was allegedly then raped by the gang.
The seven gang members faced trial in the same case as the woman and her
companion. At the conclusion of the trial in November 2006, four members of the gang were sentenced to prison terms ranging from one to five years, in addition to sentences of flogging ranging from 80 to 1.000 lashes. The legal status of the remaining three defendants is unclear as they had reportedly surrendered to the police only shortly before the conclusion of the trial in November 2006.
The sentencing of the woman following her rape ordeal generated shock and anger among human rights activists as well as members of the public in Saudi Arabia.

It also generated a rare debate in the country on the inconsistencies of the judicial system and its failure to reflect the gravity of the crimes committed against the woman. Amnesty International has previously highlighted such failures, including the interrogation and trial of women on sensitive and private matters by all-male panels of interrogators and judges. The organization believes that the criminalisation of “Khilwa” is inconsistent with international human rights standards, in particular, an individual’s right to privacy and the case against them should therefore be declared null and void.

BACKGROUND INFORMATION
Flogging is mandatory in Saudi Arabia for a number of offences, including sexual offences, and can also be used at the discretion of judges as an alternative or addition to other punishments. Sentences can range from dozens to thousands of lashes.
In 1997, the United Nations commission on human rights stated that “corporal punishment [such as flogging] can amount to cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment, or even to torture”. As a state party to the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CAT), Saudi Arabia is in violation of this international standard by carrying out the punishment of flogging."

This is how your fellow religionists conceive justice.


2.
"Submitted by WW4 Report on Sun, 11/16/2008 - 01:41.
Iran's judiciary has sentenced a Sufi leader to five years in prison, flogging and exile on charges of spreading lies, the moderate Kargozaran newspaper reported Nov. 15. The report identified the man as Amir Ali Mohammad Labaf, of the Nematollahis or Gonabadi Dervishes order based in the northeastern province of Khorassan Razavi. Labaf was convicted by a court in Iran's clerical center of Qom, finding that his holding of traditional Sufi prayers constituted "a case of spreading lies," the report said, without elaborating. In addition to the five-year prison term, Labaf was sentenced to 74 lashes and internal exile to the southeastern town of Babak. (AFP, Nov. 15)"

This is how your fellow religionists conceive tolerence.



BTW, did you were one of the demonstrators that they were destroying everything due to the Jyllands-Posten issue?

Originally posted by ahosyney
[b]oh then i misunderstood. you didn't say he was lying about you supporting the stoning. he was lying about you using the quran to support the stoning.

That is one point, the other point I will explain by this question:

Does, "ahosyney supports stoning of adulterers and and apostates as stated in the Koran"

give the same meaning to you as:
...[text shortened]... the remaining 1%.

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EDIT: I have to go now, I will get back to you soon.[/b]

i am sorry, i thought i specified. rajk speaking falsely or embelishing has no relevance in my mind anymore. i must have forgot to mention that because someone in this forums supports the gruesome murder by gruesome means of someone that simply got horny and decided here husband/wife is not enough. so it is reasonable i was too pissed to remember to mention that.

"which he believes can't happen until they are doing it in public, as stated in Hadith"
if the husband knows his wife is fooling around and has a detective following her, all he has to do is to bring 4 of his muslim buddies to the love room and make them watch the porn. not to mention the fact that those witnesses can FREAKIN LIE. ooops, 2 horny people got stoned to death, let us go to our homes and drink coffee. and wash the blood from our faces, the woman was so rude to splatter me with blood as i tried to hit from closer range.

"And that is why I think Rajk99 is intentionally lying about me by manipulating my opinions to support his agenda towards Muslims and Islam."
he is overkilling. i don't know what is in his head. we would have thought you are a maniac without him embelishing the facts. you are psychotic, do you understand? you still stand by a law that you think can never be enforced because the conditions for the sentence to carry out are too complicated. i told you it can, will you change you view?

"yes unless they repent to Allah and ask his forgiveness, in this case Allah in Quran promised forgiveness to the true repentant."
kind of hard to repent when you are going to be bludgeoned to death by solid matter.


"he only stoned two persons for adultery "
this is so messed up. he only stoned 2 people so you made up a law that isn't even in the quran and didn't even have the prophet full blessing and said "hey let's stone some horny dudes".
not to mention that jesus forgave the sinners without handing out punishments. in fact, he actually saved one woman from stoning. "He who is without sin should cast the first stone" sounds so much better than "fine you morons, i will stone you if you really really want it.".

i will not say that christianity is superior to islam. i will not. because i do not believe any religion is superior to any another. but seriously, if you were an atheist and you were presented with what jesus said and what mohammed said, what would you say?

Originally posted by ahosyney
[b]In the western countries adultery is not a crime the way Shariah "law" considers it. A divorce is enough. A divorce would be enough even if the adulterer was having a mega party in the middle of an avenue at 11:00 in the morning with 11 drunk sailors together with 14 duzzlin hookers and 29 bysexuals and 32 trannies (not to mention the 3 pure dead middle- ...[text shortened]... ur barbaric civilization!!!!! And I think my GOD that I don't belong to it by any way!!!!!

edit:
"I can walk any where in Cairo at any time of day or night, but I can't do that in many places in Europe and USA."

OK; but in that case keep yourself away from the buses and the bazaars in general, from Hilton hotels (poor Paris, she will starve to death) and from campsites at Sinai. So for your safety I just note over here the following five ...incidents:

18-Sep-97 Egypt (Cairo): Gunmen attack a tourist bus. 9 Germans and 1 Egyptian killed.
17-Nov-97 Egypt (Luxor): Gunmen attack tourists. c.70 killed.
8-Oct-04 Egypt: Large explosions at Hilton Hotel in Taba and at 2 campsites in the Sinai area. Over 30 killed.
07-Apr-05 Egypt (Cairo): Attack near tourist bazaar in Cairo. 2 French nationals and one American killed, c.18 injured.
30-Apr-05 Egypt (Cairo): Tourist bus fired on in Cairo. 8 injured.


You are more than welcome to destroy the abv mentioned lies of mine;

Originally posted by black beetle
This is religionist delusions😵

dude i don't think you have a permit for inventing words.
you should get it over here
www.inventyourownwordsthatsoundsnazzierthanrealwords.com

😀

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
dude i don't think you have a permit for inventing words.
you should get it over here
www.inventyourownwordsthatsoundsnazzierthanrealwords.com

😀

Sure thing😵

Originally posted by ahosyney
[b]In the western countries adultery is not a crime the way Shariah "law" considers it. A divorce is enough. A divorce would be enough even if the adulterer was having a mega party in the middle of an avenue at 11:00 in the morning with 11 drunk sailors together with 14 duzzlin hookers and 29 bysexuals and 32 trannies (not to mention the 3 pure dead middle- ...[text shortened]... ur barbaric civilization!!!!! And I think my GOD that I don't belong to it by any way!!!!!

"the number of children without father in the west"

holy mary and joseph we have immaculate conception.


"bastard" is someone who keeps his daughter from going to college or from showing her face to strangers because he thinks it will corrupt her soul.
"bastard" is someone who makes a law like "it is ok to beat your wife with a stick if the stick is not thicker than your thumb" - i gave one example from western world too
"bastard" is the one who picks up a rock and throws it at a fellow human being.(i don't know about fellow though, it seems whoever participates in a stoning by his own free will is forfeiting his human status)

a single parent child is not a damned, damaged, diseased, evil child. a mother without a husband is not a damned, damaged, diseased, evil woman.

"I can walk any where in Cairo at any time of day or night, but I can't do that in many places in Europe and USA." just the other day, some talibans executed a polish engineer. not killed as in "oops, i droped a bomb on the wrong house" like an american would do. but executed. you know what that means? that they took a polish dude, and asked the pakistani for stuff. not the polish. but the pakistani. and when the pakistanis refused to meet their demands(they were probably very high, i doubt they were demanding for fluffy toilet paper) they executed the polish dude. executed. like standing behind him and shot him in the head. while the polish dude thought he will never get to see his family again. a polish engineer. not even a "murdering soldier" but someone comming there to help build something, to create. Where the talibans good muslims? and how safe is your muslim world now, hmm?

Originally posted by ahosyney
[b]Your religionist delusions are dangerous and the way of your thinking barbaric.

I don't have religionist delusions (what ever does that mean?), I do have the truth which you never asked me about. You waste your time going around the truth but never going to reach it.

And I'm not barbaric, I'm more civilized than you are. I live the happiest lif ...[text shortened]... Islam is not the law, Islam is to believe in GOD and worship him, in case you want to know!!![/b]

edit;
"Islam is the only truth in this world. That is the clear fact. Only the fruitful tree is the target of stones."


Islam as You conceive it in person is the only truth in this world for You. This is the clear fact. Regarding the fruitful tree I know not, however the targer of the stones (palm-size) remain definately the heads of the burried in the ground victims that are condemned by a flock of religionist morons.

And now enjoy another taste of the radical Islam civilisation that you are preaching, ahosyney:

"By Daniel Howden
Monday, 10 November 2008
This was a death foretold. A Toyota pickup with a loudspeaker began an early-morning tour of the ruined neighbourhoods of Kismayo, a port in southern Somalia, announcing that there would be a killing. By 4pm a crowd of 1,000 people had gathered at the football stadium. A hole had been dug in the ground, and half an hour later a truck loaded with rocks arrived.
A group of fighters from the Al-Shabab militia who control the city appeared, firing warning shots into the air to disperse a crush of people trying to reach the stones.
A young girl was dragged into the stadium. She knew what was going to happen next, and witnesses saw her struggling and screaming.
"What do you want from me?" she asked. Then she shouted "I'm not going, I'm not going. Don't kill me."
But four men forced her into the hole and buried her up to her neck. Fifty men then set about stoning her to death. After 10 minutes she was dug up and two nurses checked to see if she was alive. She was. So they put her back in the ground and the stoning recommenced.
Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow's crime was to be raped and then report it. After being attacked by three men her family went to the Al-Shabab Islamist militia to report the crime. She was detained and accused of adultery. No effort was made to identify or arrest the rapists.
Despite reports that she was 23 years old, Aisha was actually 13. "She hadn't even reached the age to be married," her distraught father said.
People in Kismayo say they live in constant fear of the Al-Shabab, but not everyone was content to watch a "clearly distressed" girl being stoned to death. Some people tried to intervene. The gunmen fired shots; one man was wounded and an eight-year-old boy was shot dead. The militia later apologised for his killing.
After the execution a man called Sheik Hayakalah told a radio station: "The evidence came from her side and she officially confirmed her guilt," he said. "She told us that she was happy with the punishment under Islamic law." Aisha's father said his daughter had begged for her life. It is illegal under Sharia to convict a 13-year-old of adultery.
Somalia is nightmarish. During the Cold War its strategic location on the Horn of Africa saw it become possibly the world's largest arms dump. With no effective government for nearly two decades, it has become a theatre for the proxy wars of its neighbours and a domain ruled by warlords and extremists. The emergence of the Islamic Courts movement, which drove the warlords out of Mogadishu, briefly offered hope of relative stability. Instead the movement was portrayed as a hotbed of Islamist extremism, accused of links to al-Qa'ida, and neighbouring Ethiopia was encouraged by the US to invade.
Today the country is divided between warlords, an illegitimate government protected by occupying troops, resurgent Islamist militias and a small, besieged force of Ugandan peacekeepers. Three million people out of a population of nine million are at immediate risk of starvation.
Incidents such as the stoning are presented by some as evidence of the need to confront Islamist forces in the country. However, analysts point out that the "military solution" has been a crushing failure that has driven out moderates and made a bad situation dramatically worse."

Originally posted by black beetle
edit;
"Islam is the only truth in this world. That is the clear fact. Only the fruitful tree is the target of stones."


Islam as You conceive it in person is the only truth in this world for You. This is the clear fact. Regarding the fruitful tree I know not, however the targer of the stones (palm-size) remain definately the heads of the burried in has driven out moderates and made a bad situation dramatically worse."

If you are able to read, or even bother yourself to read anything I said here or any where else, you will understand that what you posted here if it is true, is against the Islam, and those people are murderer, and stupid in the same time. Exactly like you!!

And now enjoy another taste of the radical Islam civilisation that you are preaching, ahosyney:

Here you go lying again,

give a single post for me that say I advocate something like that or that I said the Islam support that.

Posting this now tell me one thing, you never read , and you don't care to read and all your stupid mind tell is to copy and past stupid links like this. It is really very hard to hold this amount of lying.

Stop lying , and stop being stupid!!!
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That is the end of story for me.

Originally posted by ahosyney
If you are able to read, or even bother yourself to read anything I said here or any where else, you will understand that what you posted here if it is true, is against the Islam, and those people are murderer, and stupid in the same time. Exactly like you!!

[b]And now enjoy another taste of the radical Islam civilisation that you are preaching, ahosyne ...[text shortened]... -----------------------------------------------------------

That is the end of story for me.

It escaped your attention that I always highlight your posts and then I answer them. But I can ease you again with a summary of your profound wisdom in order to give you another chance to realise what exactly you ..."advocate":

You appear to believe that the Muslims had the right to react the way they reacted due to the Jyllands-Posten incident, although they were manipulated by radical Islamist imams in order to react so

You offered not even the slightest condemning comment against the seriously derailed radical Islamist who killed Van Gogh in Amsterdamn although every piece of information is just a click away from you

In the contrary, you stated asap that you would join the radical Muslims of Tira who lynched that poor woman for nothing although you know that they are criminals because their actions were clearly against the secular law of their country

You firmly believe that your personal religionist doctrines stand anytime above the secular law, and you are sure that anyway they must stand above it

You firmly believe that Shariah “law” is fine, and that this "law" is the sole solution for the western societies to solve their differ and multileveled social problems

You firmly believe that under specific circumstances the adulterers must be sentenced to death by stoning. As a result, you appear to believe that the punishments implied by Islamic courts (flogging, amputations, death by stoning etc.) are acceptable and not against the Human Rights

You try constantly not to condemn asap the actions of the radical Islamists as mentioned above; instead, you keep up trying to find illogical and religionist excuses for their beliefs and their actions.



Well, this attitude of yours is not taken seriously in the western societies and I am sure that your beliefs will be forever stronly opposed. Of course I will defend to the hilt your right to state your pathetic opinions anytime.
That's all, darling.

Originally posted by black beetle
You try constantly not to condemn asap the actions of the radical Islamists as mentioned above; instead, you keep up trying to find illogical and religionist excuses for their beliefs and their actions.

Not criticizing members of your group whether family, race, tribe or religion especially in front of members of another group is fairly typical human behavior. It often has negative side effects.
I have seen it manifested in politics where a politician who claims to be Christian gets less criticism by Christians because they don't like to criticize their own.
I have seen it in the US where it is called 'patriotism' and Bush used it to his advantage.
I have seen it amongst Muslims where they are very reluctant to criticize fellow Muslims.

But is ahosyney worse than a typical American citizen in this regard? I have heard Americans try to justify some of the most outrageous actions of their government, not because they think the actions are right but because they think it is patriotic to do so.

Originally posted by twhitehead

But is ahosyney worse than a typical American citizen in this regard? I have heard Americans try to justify some of the most outrageous actions of their government, not because they think the actions are right but because they think it is patriotic to do so.

Or because they're afraid. The risks are high.

Are we obliged to speak up against what is self-evidently wrong?

Is cowardice a form of lying?