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Originally posted by RBHILLSo we are extremely lucky in our choice of planets. Gain information in DNA? Oh please, believing in Jesus Christ, that is the ultimate placebo.
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Originally posted by sonhouseCome, come sonhouse. The man makes a compelling argument.
So we are extremely lucky in our choice of planets. Gain information in DNA? Oh please, believing in Jesus Christ, that is the ultimate placebo.
He didn't prove anything except we live in a special place, because it is a special place, we live in a special place where live can exist. We would not have this conversation if we had evolved on Mars since it ...[text shortened]... arten level of science and will eventually have the last laugh on obsessive religious arrogance.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderOh yes we CAN argue that designer bit. We can't argue there may have been a designer for the whole universe and you can hypothesize about that, but my theory for that could be this: Our universe, the whole shooting match, could be the equivalent of a high school physics experiment, like our universe in a cage in a school lab where the results are charted year by year and each galaxy has to be accounted for and the experiment duly noted.
Come, come sonhouse. The man makes a compelling argument.
I mean, like the argument that, if you come across something complex, then no way can that have just popped into existence or evolved over time. It must, absolutely must, have been created.
There's no way you can argue with this.
The only thing I am wondering, though, since I am now a ...[text shortened]... ave been designed, and his designer might be a bit pissed at his creation getting all the glory.
Originally posted by C HessHe has a point, if there was this alleged 'intelligent designer', it would seem to follow there should have been an even more intelligent being who designed OUR intelligent designer and that path can go on to infinity, an infinite gallery of intelligent designers. That is what he is talking about. Who made God? Of course the usual answer is 'this god has always been there forever and ever' etc.
You're joking right?
I'm sorry, but one has to ask in this place.
Originally posted by RBHILLHere we go again. Doesn't the fact that your body has a three billion letter blueprint demonstrate a creator? No. If there was in your body just one copy of DNA referenced by some cell generator that knew which "code" to read and when, then yes, I'd have to wonder, but basically there are only two types of cells in the entire domain of life: eukaryotic and prokaryotic, and with the exception of a few eukaryotic variations (as far as I know), every single cell in your body has its own copy of DNA, mindlessly copied whenever the cell divides. Think about that. It literally means that every living thing is made of one or both of two basic cell types. Is it really that hard to accept the fact that such cells could evolve naturally? Just two major events in the evolution of life, both of which took a really long time. Everything else, from earth worms to humans are basically made of the same cell stuff. What's more, the human body contains far more bacteria, archaea and fungi cells, than actual human cells. Did we evolve from bacteria? Hell, we are mostly bacteria... and fungi... and archaea... and then a tiny bit human. Basically, we're the kitchen, livingroom and toilet for all of the human microbiome.
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Originally posted by C HessI am certainly not joking about the fact that video poster's argument leads to the conclusion that god must have been designed.
You're joking right?
I'm sorry, but one has to ask in this place.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderI see. 🙂
I am certainly not joking about the fact that video poster's argument leads to the conclusion that god must have been designed.
Though I am waiting for RBHILL, and the other 'goddidits', to jump in here with the 'that doesn't apply to God because....err....he is God' argument.
Which is about as convincing as the video poster's other arguments.
Originally posted by sonhouseIf you want a reference for this I can probably find it, but I can't be bothered to dig it out without a pm. A couple of years ago I read this philosophy paper that someone wrote which claimed that we live in a simulation. The basis for his argument was that because we could be living in a simulation then it is overwhelmingly probable that we do. And if we do then the reality that simulates us must also be in a simulation. And so on ad infinitum. Total bollocks!
He has a point, if there was this alleged 'intelligent designer', it would seem to follow there should have been an even more intelligent being who designed OUR intelligent designer and that path can go on to infinity, an infinite gallery of intelligent designers. That is what he is talking about. Who made God? Of course the usual answer is 'this god has always been there forever and ever' etc.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtKind of like Zeno's paradox, you can't get to where you are going because you have to go to the halfway point then the next halfway point, etc......
If you want a reference for this I can probably find it, but I can't be bothered to dig it out without a pm. A couple of years ago I read this philosophy paper that someone wrote which claimed that we live in a simulation. The basis for his argument was that because we could be living in a simulation then it is overwhelmingly probable that we do. And ...[text shortened]... eality that simulates us must also be in a simulation. And so on ad infinitum. Total bollocks!