Originally posted by wolfgang59Indeed and yet my superlative system of classification has proven rather accurate, not to mention flexible, it being based upon pure empirics rather than speculative claims. Is an alcoholic a non alcoholic between drinking bouts, hardly, he is an alcoholic because he practices drinking alcohol to excess regularly, thus he is defined by his actions.
Come on Robbie, you know this thread is a response to your stand on homosexuality.
You said something to the effect that homosexuals were defined by their
acts and not nature. Applying your own logic to heterosexuality we want
to know at what point one becomes non-heterosexual. How much abstinence is required?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieMedical New Today http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157163.php defines an alcoholic as
Indeed and yet my superlative system of classification has proven rather accurate, not to mention flexible, it being based upon pure empirics rather than speculative claims. Is an alcoholic a non alcoholic between drinking bouts, hardly, he is an alcoholic because he practices drinking alcohol to excess regularly, thus he is defined by his actions.
An alcoholic is a man or a woman who suffers from alcoholism - they have a distinct physical desire to consume alcohol beyond their capacity to control it, regardless of all rules of common sense.
This seems to be saying that an alcoholic is someone who is excessively attracted to alcohol, whether they succumb to the attraction or not.
After how many hours/days/weeks/months/years of abstinence from alcohol is the person no longer an alcoholic?
After how many hours/days/weeks/months/years of abstinence from heterosexual sex is the person no longer a heterosexual?
It's a simple question Robbie and you have been avoiding giving any answer for days (maybe even weeks) now. After how much silence on the matter do you no longer believe your own arguments?
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Originally posted by Penguinthey have a distinct physical desire? they may also have a distinct physical desire for knickerbocker glories, such ill conceived definitions will not suffice, its much better, as my superlative theory has proven, to classify according to practice, for even someone who has conquered alcoholism may entertain a desire for it, although he does not engage in excessive drinking anymore. As for your assertion of avoiding, I had guests from London who were visiting Scotland, one a French diplomat, I took them to Glen Nevis hill walking, Loch Lomond, Culzean castle and everywhere in between, you must realise that we have lives outside of timeforchess.
Medical New Today http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157163.php defines an alcoholic as
An alcoholic is a man or a woman who suffers from alcoholism - they have a [b]distinct physical desire to consume alcohol beyond their capacity to control it, regardless of all rules of common sense.
This seems to be saying that an alcoholic fter how much silence on the matter do you no longer believe your own arguments?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes but their distinct physical desire for knickerbocker glories is probably not such that if they allow themselves to have one, they will then be unable to resist more and more, which is what the beyond their capacity to control it bit was all about.
they have a distinct physical desire? they may also have a distinct physical desire for knickerbocker glories, such ill conceived definitions will not suffice, its much better, as my superlative theory has proven, to classify according to practice, for even someone who has conquered alcoholism may entertain a desire for it, although he does not engag ...[text shortened]... n castle and everywhere in between, you must realise that we have lives outside of timeforchess.
And well done for entertaining your guests so convivially but you still managed to post several messages on most days, often to this particular thread. So lack of time was probably not really the cause of you failing to answer since you have not exactly failed to post.
So after what period of abstinence does a heterosexual person cease being heterosexual Robbie?
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Originally posted by Penguinwhat is it about what a person practices being a definitive element in classification that yet evades you? you attempted to use the ludicrous argument of desire being a classification, now shown to be wholly inadequate and amounts to, I desire to drink excessively therefore I am an alcoholic? really, that is what you have said, such lunacy, are you thinking, are you in your own mind, capable of rational thought? the vast majority of weekend party goes would by your definition fall into the realm of alcoholics.
Yes but their distinct physical desire for knickerbocker glories is probably not such that if they allow themselves to have one, they will then be unable to resist more and more, which is what the beyond their capacity to control it bit was all about.
And well done for entertaining your guests so convivially but you still managed to post several me ...[text shortened]...
So after what period of abstinence does a heterosexual person cease being heterosexual Robbie?
I have no idea how long, it is not my concept, I did not originate it, my method is based upon what can be observed not what cannot, ironic considering that i am a theist, its purely empirical, not what might be, is plausible or could be, nor a silly hypothetical question on the basis of time lapse which borders on the redundant and quite frankly absurd. I repeat, I have no idea of how long time must lapse for your silly hypothetical scenario to take place, I am interested in what may be empirically established.
If some is sexually active with a member of the opposite sex they are a heterosexual, if they are not sexually active for a prolonged and as yet undetermined period they are celibate until they become sexually active, why you should have trouble understanding this, I have no idea. Do you really need to make up silly hypothetical arguments based on a time lapse in order to deny what may be empirically established, oh dear and oh well.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieare you saying that an alcoholic who battles with his/her addiction day in day out for years but stays dry is no longer an alcoholic??????????????? really???? you might want to re-think your theory.
Indeed and yet my superlative system of classification has proven rather accurate, not to mention flexible, it being based upon pure empirics rather than speculative claims. Is an alcoholic a non alcoholic between drinking bouts, hardly, he is an alcoholic because he practices drinking alcohol to excess regularly, thus he is defined by his actions.
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Originally posted by stellspalfiewhat is it you fail to understand, if they continually practice drinking to excess they are alcoholic, if they don't they are not, what is it about that statement that you fail to grasp, tell me, is it the language, the terminology, the in-house terms, is it a foreign language, is English not your first language, do you wear glasses or have lost your contact lenses? what is it about the statement that yet evades you? and no i don't need to rethink anything, empiric's trumps all of your pseudo scientific, silly hypothetical arguments and other forms of outright quackery!
are you saying that an alcoholic who battles with his/her addiction day in day out for years but stays dry is no longer an alcoholic??????????????? really???? you might want to re-think your theory.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou don't know then. You've really thought this through, i can tell. So, your sexuality is only defined when you are actually having sex and maybe for some indeterminate time afterwards. Okay. You must live in perpetual anticipation of whether you will be homosexual or heterosexual next time.
what is it about what a person practices being a definitive element in classification that yet evades you? you attempted to use the ludicrous argument of desire being a classification, now shown to be wholly inadequate and amounts to, I desire to drink excessively therefore I am an alcoholic? really, that is what you have said, such lunacy, are you ...[text shortened]... based on a time lapse in order to deny what may be empirically established, oh dear and oh well.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was going to write a considered reply to this, but I haven't the time or inclination to deal with such, quite frankly, gibbering nonsense. So this will have to suffice instead - 🙄
what is it you fail to understand, if they continually practice drinking to excess they are alcoholic, if they don't they are not, what is it about that statement that you fail to grasp, tell me, is it the language, the terminology, the in-house terms, is it a foreign language, is English not your first language, do you wear glasses or have lost your ...[text shortened]... of your pseudo scientific, silly hypothetical arguments and other forms of outright quackery!
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Originally posted by Penguinyou cannot argue with empirics, no amount of quackery or hypothetical imaginary scenarios will suffice!
You don't know then. You've really thought this through, i can tell. So, your sexuality is only defined when you are actually having sex and maybe for some indeterminate time afterwards. Okay. You must live in perpetual anticipation of whether you will be homosexual or heterosexual next time.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobI need to be dealt with, LOL, thats brilliant! where is my 'deal with it', sun glasses.
I was going to write a considered reply to this, but I haven't the time or inclination to deal with such, quite frankly, gibbering nonsense. So this will have to suffice instead - 🙄